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Merry Nothing

by adam at 12:22 AM on December 11, 2005

If I hear or read one more story about the so-called War on Christmas I ... well, I won't do anything, because I'm basically not a violent person. But I'm tired of this nonsense. I'm trying to think of a way to respond to the charge that Christians are persecuted in the United States, but I can't come up with anything that makes sense. The president, the veep, almost all of the major officeholders in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government, along with better than 80% of the population, are self-identified Christians of one stripe or another. No one is persecuting Christians. What is happening, in a very small way, is that non-Christians are finally insisting that their tax dollars not be used for blatantly religions purposes. Do whatever you want at home, at church, on the street, but when you insist on bringing your religion into City Hall then you're stepping on my toes.

How can I explain how I feel when someone wishes me a "Merry Christmas"? There is no rejoinder I could use as an example - I get the distinct impression that Christians think it's cute when I wish them a "Happy Hanukah". There is no equivalent in the modern Christian world to the crimes that were wreaked upon my people in the name of the Christian god. "Merry Christmas" tells me that I should be happy at the creation of a belief system that has caused my family suffering for uncounted generations. If you think that sparing me that by using "Happy Holidays" is too much to bear, then for all of your complaints of discrimination you don't actually have a clue what it feels like.

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I'll go one step further and say how all the Wars on... have grown so tiresome I could scream. Drugs, Terror, Poverty, Christmas, Whatever. I'm reminded of an essay I once read: My Long Distance Calling Options and Why I Never Want to Hear Another Word About Them. Only now it's wireless plans and whenever minutes. Whatever. Nevermind.

by anna at December 11, 2005 8:03 AM


Well, Adam... you have to understand, 'ata miveen' that the Jewish on their own discipline and loyalty and intelligence have become extremely powerful in this country, and so it's NOT an issue... if there's a 'WAR' it can only be a war on 'blacks' people who were also terribly oppressed but because they didn't do anything substantial to elevate themselves, the bitching is in their court and not the jewish. In NYC blacks hate jews so much even though the jews were abused just as bad if not worse than them, but they hate the jews success that they have still failed to grasp due to 'whatever'.... sorry, no Hannukah... but it's a War against Kwannza...

by LOCKHEED at December 11, 2005 3:32 PM


Xmas, and Seasons Greetings on cards are prime examples of Christmas being dumbed down...

"What's this? Merry Christams!? Merry you say! How dare you, my people..."

"Hey, man, it was a reflex, happy whatever the fuck, jesus!"

"What was that?"

"Forget I said anything, really, just enjoying the holidays..."

"Well, just you remember, you... random stranger... you should ask a man his faith and background before wishing him a Merry anything! The majority of people in the country may celebrate and enjoy this time of family and an appreciation of friends... but I take deep offe..."

"Forget it, really."

"... let me finish..."

*crack*

"..."

"Happy nosebleed you whining tossa."

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 11, 2005 4:27 PM


Am my new job I'm getting to see some customer servicee emails. You'd be surprised by the number of people who are write in to say "Thanks for actually using the word 'Christmas'." You may not think there is a war going on, but some people do, and thats all it seems you really need to throw a war anymore.

by mg at December 11, 2005 5:19 PM


MG! "Throw a war." Heh-heh. What if nobody came?

by anna at December 12, 2005 9:42 AM


Does Santa visist Jewes? How about Muslims? No wonder they're so crankey.

by Clonereject1138 at December 12, 2005 4:07 PM


Odd how the majority can feel threatened by an overpowered stuck up minority that was due to die years ago. Mabey well get lucky this Christ-doh, Holiday season. Bull shit. Udder bull shit. At least they're thorough. Now it's Winter Break. Well, we had Spring Break, and Summer Vacation, so wheres our Automn vacation!? Take heart bretheren, the mother ship will be here any minut.....

by Clonereject1138 at December 12, 2005 4:12 PM


MY LORDS, MY LORDS...

The kneebone is connected to the thighbone... the thighbone is connected to the kneebone...

...................MOTHERSHIP...................... take me or forever hold your peace...


will you RIDE the Great white bird into HEAVEN????? and the goodbye makes the journey harder still...

YEs, JAMES has not responded to any of these comments.... MIXED emotions... COGNITIVE dissonance...

THE GOVERNATOR allowed a BLACK MAN to be executed who blew the head off of FOUR PEOPLE... Three of which was a family of Asian immigrants... and this was 1979... he was given 25 more years to live, and his only defense: I WROTE CHILDREN"S BOOKS about the dangers of gangs... SAVE ME, i'm reformed, SAVE ME.... tell that to the fucking blownup heads and brains of the fucking bluecollar immigrants you fucking killed.... you fucking RETARDED THING.

by LOCKHEED at December 12, 2005 8:01 PM


I think I like Lockheed better when I have no idea what he's talking about. Actually, now that I look, who are all of these off-medication peoples?

by Adam at December 12, 2005 8:32 PM


Bothers me this though. Christmas is without a doubt the one time of year strangers don't annoy me. People walk about feeling good about themselves and they convey it by smiling at everyone they pass. I like hearing the words "Merry Christmas" from a complete stranger... sometimes it doesn't sound like a reflex. I'm yet to hear "Happy Holidays", or "Happy Xmas" from any of British mouth anyway. But those things are all over Christmas cards. If a guy wished me a "Happy Hanukah" I'd probably say "thanks". Chances are good he knows I'm not Jewish, but what the hell? S'the thought that counts.

I reckon if you get a funny look for saying Happy Hanukah it's probably because people can be caught off guard, how often do Jews wish non-Jews Happy Hanukah? How often do you come across and can readily identify a Jew come to that? Christianity in this country is a spec when compared to the States. That stat in the news article surely isn't right, is it? 80% practicing? Hmm. I'm not a Christian, but I do get annoyed when I see PC Christmas cards, and hear that people are avoiding use of the word Christmas. Whatever you wanna pretend it's name is... it is called Christmas.

It's part and parcel of living in Britain. This is a Christian nation with Christian culture pumped into its soil... British muslims and others can complain all they like, but as long there is that staunch grip on tradition the majority of Brits sport, PC-ness will only go so far. If you move to this country from another, with non-Christian beliefs, you should know already that late November, through December, you are going to be bombarded with Christian imagery... why? Because it's a friggin' Christian nation. The Cross of St George, if you were surprised by the weight of religious visuals, was your first clue. Non-Christians enjoy it as much as Christians... but, maybe that's where the thorn lies? Meh heh.

I can understand people getting annoyed at having to use Happy Holidays... fact is though, they don't have to. I can understand people raising awareness, saying you can call Christmas Christmas, it's okay... because, well, they can. I can't understand a Jew getting pissed about it... anyone'd think the majority of Christians today should be feeling guilty about Christian history with Jews. "May I apologise on behalf of my ancestors." Please.

To quote a satirical episode of Gervais' Extras... Kate Winslet: "We get it, it was grim, move on." Used completely out of context but still, we get it, it was grim... move on. If ye can't, move out... if you don't wanna move out, avoid the hype of articles like the one linked, and face the fact you live in a Christian nation, with people a little pissed at being told what they can and can't say. Forget sparing the feelings of others by saying Happy Holidays, it's evident it does no good... people are just pissed that they feel they can't say what they like. Free country 'n' all that. I'm sure Blair sends out Christmas cards with the word Christmas on them... I'm 100% positive he will be in Church on Christmas day... I'm 100% positive also, he was elected by Christians and non-Christians nationwide. Where's can the complaint that he's Christian come from? S'a weird one! I'd like to say...

:) - "Merry Christmas! ... Go on Tim mah boy..."

;) - "... and God bless us, everyone."

Aaaah. Shweet. Fnar har.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 12, 2005 8:36 PM


You have a good idea what i'm talking about...

...at a miveen ifrit? Lo... son i traveled to the Wailing Wall, but a few years ago to say my prayers...

...i am off my meds though... tapered off... that's why i get cold sweats.

by lockheed at December 12, 2005 11:29 PM


NCO: The things that you say might be true for the UK, but the USA is at least a nominally secular country, so I do have the right to insist that my tax dollars not be used in the support of religion. I don't object to people living their religion out loud, but I do object to blindness to others. The entire reason that "Happy Holidays" gained traction in the first place was out of recognition that not everyone celebrates Christmas, out of a desire to include people. Especially considering that Christianity was and still is aggressively missionary, being told to have a Merry Christmas says to me, "You do not exist." I'm being told to celebrate the season of a religion that was and, in many quarters, still is trying to wipe Judaism out. I can't stop anyone from saying anything they like, nor should I have that power, but expecting me to smile and like it goes too far. As for your comment about 'moving on,' well no, you don't get it, nor will you ever. If you got it, you wouldn't ask people to move on. Since Jews don't believe in Hell, I guess I should tell you to go to pergatory? Doesn't quite have the same ring.

Lockheed: stop trying to speak badly romanized Hebrew to me, please, I beg of you.

by Adam at December 13, 2005 12:23 AM


Maybe I need to get ON some meds. Where I used to grow distraught, now I just get disinterested. Perhaps my impending homelessness has something to do with it. I so favored indoor living.

by anna at December 13, 2005 7:45 AM


WTF?

Anna, Is your wife kicking you out? Should we start a "Save Anna" fund? I'll start it off with 5 dollars. And an autographed picture of Buddy Christ.

It seems to me that everyone gets really antagonistic any more when confronted with things they don't want to hear about. Sometimes people tend to put too much baggage into simple holiday expressions. If you don't believe in the thought behind "Merry Christmas" then why can't you just blow it off and ignore it? What good comes from confronting someone about saying something that really doesn't connotate "kill the Jews and anyone who doesn't believe like I do". Not saying there aren't people who do think that way but the majority just want to live in peace with everyone.

So everyone have a Merry Christmas unless you don't believe in it. Then just have a day. And pass the Valium and Zanax.

by Long Time Lurker at December 13, 2005 11:05 AM


SORRY JAMES... it was ROMANIZED.... OH THE OPPRESSION.

Get over it...

I'm a fucking chink, I can laugh at myself, and I'm confident enough in my own abilities so I don't have to depend upon some concept of 'race' or 'class'... or whatever....

BE LIKE ME, I BEG YOU... if you had the talent.

by LOCKHEED at December 13, 2005 1:06 PM


Amen Brother!

by Long Time Lurker at December 13, 2005 3:54 PM


If I was born a Christian in a predominately muslim country, and muslims everywhere were walking about happy, celebrating... whatever. Passing me by and wishing me a happy... whatever. No matter what the history between Christians and Muslims... I just can't for the life of me see me getting pissed about it. Christians going about happy on their holiday, wishing all and sundry a happy merry ol' day isn't them flaunting their wares or having a dig... it's just... being... nice.

I agree that your taxes shouldn't fund ANY religion.

Why don't the Jewish have monster bashes that strive to include non-Jews? Or ain't that allowed? I always get the impression that, if you become a Jew... you're not quite Jewish. To be Jewish you have to have a long line of ancestors that have suffered. Get the impression Jews would rather non-Jews keep to their own. In fact, that's usually what I see/know/hear of Jews. It seems a rare thing, a Jew talking about Judaism to non-Jews. I know more about the suffering of Jews than I do about the religion. Heh. Maybe you should all start wishing folk a Happy Hanukah, but with heart... like... you mean it?

My ignorance and arrogance has reached a new high.. but I don't think I care. I'll be able to feel the anger across the Atlantic. And... I thought this was pergatory? Or is that a Catholic thing? :/

by Ex Crimson Guard Guard at December 13, 2005 4:58 PM


Lockheed: I don't know who James is, so I'll start calling you Cheryl. Cheryl, the reason I don't want you to speak to me in Hebrew is because I don't speak Hebrew, other than understanding that you asked me if I understand Hebrew. I felt the need to add the mistake in Romanization because, really, you're a maniac and I want to antagonize you as much as I possibly can.

GorGor: I'm not trying to be all Saudi about this. I have close friends who are practicing Christians, and I wish them a Merry Christmas because I know that they celebrate it. It's the assumption I can't stand.
As for converts etc., modern Judaism is a basically non-prostyletizing religion, and converts are traditionally discouraged from doing their thing. If you start down that path anyway and do go through with a conversion, however, it is Jewish law that you be treated as *more* righteous than a born Jew, because any schmuck can be born into something, but you chose to do it.
Jews don't believe in hell. If you were very naughty then you stay in limbo (pergatory) until you learn your lesson. In theory even Stalin will get into heaven eventually.

Lurker: I was ignoring it, for 20-something years. I would've been happy to go on ignoring it, until I started hearing all of this noise about the so-called 'War on Christmas,' when my attitude officially became "screw that."

by Adam at December 13, 2005 5:35 PM


Oh, and by-the-by: until you've been an obvious minority, you have no idea what it feels like. Don't even bother guessing, I guessed and was completely wrong about it.

by Adam at December 13, 2005 5:37 PM


Attaboy, Adam... don't 'assume'.... It's easier to guess what it's like to be the 'majority'.... me chinese, me the smallest minority in the Western Hemisphere... not the blacks, the jews, or the latinos, or the indians...
...yet for the globe, I am part of the Majority..

Adam Bomb....

It's hilarious that I called you James.... that's fucked up. It's somehow more Christian than Adam if that's at all possible...


Time to short the fucking euro....

by LOCKHEED at December 13, 2005 8:24 PM


The assumption that you do celebrate Christmas? 96% to 4% according to the stats of your reliable news article, I say reliable because it is the Beeb. You could walk around for days wishing people a Merry Christmas and never realise that every single person is gonna get up Christmas morning to bright lights, a joyous family atmosphere, and beer on tap. Probs go for days without ever wishing somebody who doesn't celebrate Christmas a Merry Christmas... even though you'd said it to everybody...

... madness. But be extra careful to not hang this and that up in shop windows... 96% of the people whose Christian ancestors built and lifted the country to these heights might appreciate it, but there's 4% that would hate it. We must think of everybody here. Shall we take it all down? We've been doing this for centuries. Yep, stop it all now, it's time we just didn't bother... now I know the majority of people are gonna be a bit pissed, and maybe tight lipped about it, but it has to be done, the 4% wish it! :( Okay. But can we keep the... no? I really liked the... sure... no? What about... oh bugger.

"Merry... oh wait... are you in the 4%?"

"Nope."

"Then MERRY CHRISTMAS eh!"

Does the Coke ad grate you? Uh-holidays are comin', holildays are comin'... cusssh always Coke Colaaa. Cheers for sending me those pills Lock, I'm loaded! Keh heh! It's be like me in my lil Christian in a Muslim land fantasy telling Muslims the Crescent Moons everywhere are really getting me down. Would you be so kind as to get rid of them all. Y'know, do it at home and in the mosques by all means... but let's keep it off the streets fellas, we're not all Muslims you know. Tsk.

by Guard Guard Crimson Ex NCO Ex at December 13, 2005 10:12 PM


HehÖ I just went to a Christmas party thrown by a bunch of atheists and a few gay Catholics! It made no sense, but it was fun. So, MERRY CHRISTMAS! If you donít like it, stay inside until new yearís.

by MrBlank at December 19, 2005 3:21 PM


Dammn Lock,

You bring enough for eveyone?

I sure could use some.

by Long Time Lurker at December 19, 2005 5:27 PM


They can't be Catholic if they're gay(unless you ment happy) They may claim to be, but the church has no affiliation or connection with them. Should you see them again,do us all a favour, and burn them with the steak.

by Clonereject1138 at December 19, 2005 5:46 PM


It is so terribly comforting that I can invoke a sensor on other's freedoms of religion. I mean, who knows, if they are not censored, I just might get offended... Next I'll go for censoring stop signs.. (never really liked the color red, you know) And when you think about it... so many people have been killed by them ; ) ...Besides, when I write the word Holidays, it saves me writing one whole extra letter, compared to writing the longer version: Christma(s) ! This is really warm and significant!...
(Just don't forget to give me the Day off for Christma.. I mean, "Holidays")..cheers!

by acarara at December 27, 2005 5:24 AM



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