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Your logic ties me up and rapes me

by anna at 05:05 PM on February 24, 2005

This little ditty was inspired by Nathan and Chris's recent post. If you easily offended, read no further.

You're still here? As vile as it may be, in one form or another, many people believe the following generalities: 1) Black men have big penises. They do not like to go down on girls. 2) Asian kids are smart. 3) Italians and Latino men make for passionate lovers. 4) English people have bad teeth. 5) Mexicans are lazy. 6) Men are better than woman at science and math. 7) Asian girls do this thing with their tongue. 8) Jews are miserly. 9) The French are promiscuous and often smell bad. 10) Americans are arrogant. 11) Blonde woman are stupid ditzes. 12) Inbreeding is common in the Deep South and among hillbillies. And so forth.

Many of these stereotypes are probably demonstrably false. They could be refuted once and for all. And some of them might be demonstrably accurate to one extent or another. Many of these traits can be measured empirically. With a tape measure applied to 100 randomly chosen black and 100 white men, we could determine who has the bigger dicks on average. At the same time you could question them about their proclivity for giving head. You can do IQ tests on subject groups of Asian and other kids. Ditto for blondes versus brunettes versus redheads. You could survey women who've had affairs with Italians and Latinos and other ethnic groups. Dentists could rate the teeth of Englishpersons versus other nationalities. And so on.

But the problem is that most of these things are touchy, almost verboten topics of polite (i.e. PC---"Englishpersons??") conversation let alone rigorous, scientific research. So the stereotypes persist due to the very forces that would seek to either dispel them or deny their existence (i.e. the silly concept of "colorblindness.")

I once saw a black comic riffing on this concept. He used the example of a white man running down the street hefting a TV, when bystanders figure it's some new exercise fad. While a black man running down the street with a TV is usually pursued by a gaggle of gun-wielding police. Maybe it was funnier in person.

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I'm not easily offended, heh, and half of that stuff... Bah.

Black men have big penises. I recall a guy who played on our rugby team, named Charlie, he had the smallest cock in the changing rooms, yeah, of course all us white guys checked... And what we saw made us feel better. I for one witnessed my chest expand. Aah.

Asian kids are smart. Well, I'm yet to meet a dumb one. But 'Show me how smart you are." Doesn't strike me as something somebody could be offended by.

Italians and Latino men are better lovers. Now that's one generated by the lonely housewives of America and Britain, and of course, blown out of all proportion by Latino and Italian men. "Yes uhhh wee arrree, uh, ohm, uhhh, we areeee uh, better... lovers." A Frenchman would dispute to his dying day, and an Englishman, weell, for my part, I could care less.

English people have bad teeth. *clack clack* *chip* Ah well. Looking at the news reels of the eighties, and at pictures of my parents and friends from that time, it's hard to believe any of us were born, because I would not be kissing any mouth that held teeth like those. But then, watching recent episodes of Oprah, and those idiot guests on Letterman, who generally smile and laugh as Dave takes the piss out of them... They all have bad teeth, and they're American. I reckon, unfortunately, two out of every ten English have bad teeth. Not a good stat.

Mexicans 'are' lazy.

Men 'are' better than women at science and math. Maybe they need a couple more centuries before the female Einsteins will appear; they ain't been at it very long eh.

Asian girls 'do' do this thing with their tongue! Their languages afford them greater flexibility. Welsh girls too, though their language is horrible and requires a lot of spittle... But then... So does the thing they do with their tongue... Heh.

Jews... Ah, they shall inherit the earth. So they can be whatever they like. This is a nasty comment so... Uh... Yeah anyway... The Holocaust... Bad, bad thing... But... Yeah I'll skip it, for fear of completely alienating myself in this world of binary.

"The French are promiscuous and often smell bad." ... Indeed.

Americans are arrogant. Hmm, that's a great one, though, eh... Probably has the widest scope of varying cultures... And yet, they all fall into the arrogant slot. Nah.

Blonde woman are stupid ditzes. I can't even tell a blonde from a brunette anymore... Damned hair dye.

Inbreeding in Cornwall, deep south of England. This they should check, because there are some IQ issues, I think the government should check this one out, deffo. They barely qualify as human... You should visit some time, I was in awe.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at February 24, 2005 6:03 PM

At least in my experience the thing about Latinos isn't true. Women, I mean. The ones I've know were kind of shy about the whole thing. Wait a sec, isn't Catherine Zeta-Jones technically Welsh? Does that mean she does the zooter thing with her tongue on decrepit Michael Douglas? I'd rather not consider that. Most Jews I've known were pretty well-off and generous with their money. But anecdotes aren't studies. I want studies dammit.

by anna at February 24, 2005 6:22 PM

Yes, Catherine Zeta-Jones is Welsh.

by jean at February 24, 2005 9:27 PM

During my albeit limited life experience, I have come to believe that many stereotypes are based in some form of reality. I mean the rumours had to start somewhere, even if they are a little blown up and exaggerated.

It goes the same for people's reputation. I mean often if people say you are stuck up, even though you may be a great person, you've probably snubbed more than one person in your life time.

We all create our own perceptions of ourselves, and rarley understand how others see us completely. Self-concept is always a little opaque, and generalization is a part of life. If you don't like the way people see you, you have to change it yourself. It just sucks to get born into and ascribed with an ideal... makes it harder to prove it wrong.

by dominathan at February 24, 2005 11:15 PM

"Get more" indeed.

Nathan I think you've had more experiences than you let on. I know I had by your age. But you make a good point. We don't even know what we sound like. Ever listen to your own voice mail message and thought, who the hell is that? And of course perceptions of groups has to have some basis in the traits of certain members. Does that mean it's mostly true? The only way to find out is to study it.

by anna at February 25, 2005 7:45 AM

"Asian kids are smart. Well, I'm yet to meet a dumb one."

Unless they get behind the wheel of a car. Then their IQ drops by half. But seriously, my opinion on stereotypes is that they are around because they are true to some extent. It also doesn't help when people try so hard not to fit a stereotype and then end up becoming a different one.

I think stereotypes have more to do with culture than anything. Do the English not care enough about teeth and are gross, or do Americans spend too much time on dental care and have fake smiles? Cultural norms determine the answer. How would you study this? What makes 'good' teeth?

by MrBlank at February 25, 2005 9:14 AM

Asians are smart. So are Jews. But usually both are not too athletic. Although Lockheed is quite athletic.

by LOCKHEED at February 25, 2005 11:36 AM

It's funny you mention the voice mail thing. i have a brother that sounds just like me and when i get my own messages I often think it is him calling. It always takes me a minute or two to realize I said those exact same things.

And even if I have experienced a bit of what life has to offer I still consider it limited. 40 years from now I'll have 3 times the knowledge and refernece points.

by dominathan at February 25, 2005 1:01 PM

PS: How did Rushton measure female intelligence? The width of their hips. Wider set hips meant more intelligent.

PPS: Rushton is still somehow affiliated and funded by Western University. He does most of his research at night and is rarely seen by even the staff. Like Phantom of the Opera or the Hunchback of Notre Dame

by petit at February 25, 2005 2:27 PM

That's too funny. Why didn't he jsut measure their dicks, give them an IQ test and stand some chance of not getting laughed out of academia?

As often happens, Crimson puts so much information it takes me a while to digest it all. in RE: blondes: Do people who believe in this correlation also believe that when a gal dyes her hair blonde that she suddenly becomes ditzy? What if she dyes it back? in RE: arrogant Americans: I think this one is perpetuated by our leaders going around threatening countries for trying to develop weapons America pioneered and has used on people twice, once unnecessarily as the Japanese were trying to surrender when the Nagasaki one was dropped.

I've read those letters to Penthouse where guys brag about watching their wives get pummeled by a couple black guys. They always mention how well-hung they are. Like that's a good thing when another man is doing your wife. Or men. Dude, it's your WIFE.

by anna at February 25, 2005 6:17 PM

Mostly white people have the good sense to refrain from dancing. But go to a white wedding with an open bar and just wait for the disrhythmic boogying to begin. Then the bunnyhop chain. Argh.

by anna at February 25, 2005 6:24 PM

Here's what was supposed to precede my last post...it somehow got lost in cyberspace. The PS will make a lot more sense now.

In 1995, J. Phillippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario released the findings of his study on race and intelligence. Those findings sparked a worldwide outrage during which he was investigated by the Ontario Provincial police, the Ontario Human Rights Commission, the Ontario Premier called for his dismissal, and he was forced to cancel all of his psychology classes for fear of physical harm. People from all ethnic backgrounds arrived in busloads to the university to protest his largely racist conclusions.

The findings? Using 60 different measures, Rushton studied correlation between things like skull size, brain size and IQ vs promiscuity and sex characteristics. The most controversial (and ludicrous) of his "findings" became the fact that penis size is highly correlated with brain size, and therefore, intelligence. For this part of the study, in a ridiculously absurd research effort, Rushton actually went to a local mall and measured the circumference of patron's skulls (which he believed was in direct relation with brain size, which was in direct relation with intelligence), and then proceeded to survey them on the size of their penises ("how long would you say that your penis is"??!!). Along with these results, he recorded their ethnicity...grouping each under either "African", "Caucasian" or "Asian". He did this while forfeiting his duty to gain ethics approval from the university he represented. Basically, what was published as a fact was that men from African decent had, on average, larger penises, but were less intelligent; Asians had, on average, smaller penises, but were more intelligent. And Caucasians fell somewhere in between.

It's clear why so many people were upset by this. Essentially, what Rushton said was that either you have a big dick and you're stupid, or you're smart, but you have a tiny dick. Now, if this conclusion had any psychological, biological or factual merit, it might not be so racist. However, any psychology student...or any intelligent, critical thinking individual for that matter, could easily pick apart this argument. Firstly, correlation does not prove causation. Just because Rushton may have found some statistical relationship between these factors, does not mean that they are actually related. In addition, the sample size of individuals he surveyed was ridiculously small. I don't know the exact number, but it was not enough to be able to place good faith in the results. Also, a large amount of Rushton's research depends on self-reports. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but i don't know a lot of guys who, if approached by some weirdo in a mall would admit to having a "small" penis. I'm still not sure how he got all those Asian guys to confess. A lot of research has been done regarding brain size vs intelligence. The general findings have been that although it may have some bearing, a smaller brain does not necessarily mean a stupider person, nor does a larger one mean a smarter person...much less does brain size DETERMINE intelligence. Even if Rushton used IQ scores to measure intelligence, his finding would not necessarily be accurate: IQ can be based as much on environment as it can biological factors. Therefore, something like penis size, which is 100% biological, cannot be completely related to something like intelligence, which is largely a result of social circumstances. Finally, the fact that Rushton only places participating individuals into 3 ethnic categories makes his use of ethnicity as a determining factor very questionable. Even if both of a man's parents are Caucasian, it is quite likely that somewhere in his family tree there will be an individual of a different race...this muddies the results considerably.

There's your study, Anna, as poorly done as it may be.
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm

All of this controversy eventually provoked the University of Western Ontario to hold a debate to allow Rushton to fully explain his beliefs. They recruited evolutionist David Suzuki (any Canadians will know who that is) do be the other side. Unfortunately, Suzuki approached the subject from an evolutionary standpoint rather than focusing on the obvious invalidity of Rushton's research techniques. My psychology professor, who attended the debate, said that the crowd got so heated that one guy actually stood up to pose his question, dropped his pants and asked Rushton into the microphone, "you've seen my dick, now tell me my IQ".

by petit at February 25, 2005 9:12 PM

Petit, what that speaker said is classic. Totally classic! Thanks for the very thorough background. It sounds like this guy still has his job. I hope that he did at least learn that he has to apply ethics and sound methodologies to his research.

by jean at February 25, 2005 9:59 PM

I read this before. In fact I commented on it. Where the hell did it go? And Jean, I agree. This guy must be one of the dumbest smart people ever.

by anna at February 26, 2005 9:56 AM

Thanks, Jean.

Yea, this guy still has his job...my first question to my psych prof was if Rushton was ever sanctioned in any way - if not for his obvious complete lack in research knowledge, then for the fact that he failed to recieve ethics approval from the university before beginning the study. He likely knew that if he had brought his idea to any official they would have laughed in his face. But the answer was no. All professors who have tenure (and I'm not exactly sure how Rushton got it...i guess he must have done SOME valid research in his career) are protected by academic freedom. Basically they can research - and teach - anything they want. Though the research must be ethical. The problem with Rushton's study was not that it was unethical, it was that it was ridiculous...and a professor can't be punished for being stupid it seems.

by petit at February 26, 2005 12:37 PM

That's the same problem they have with that a--hole Ward Churchill at Colorado. Tenure is like this absolute protection from real life. Must be nice.

by anna at February 26, 2005 4:36 PM

1) Black men have big penises. They do not like to go down on girls.
- Blacks are bigger in general and I guess penis size is proportional. As far as going down on girls, I don't mind it as long as she does the same.

2) Asian kids are smart.
- This is due to the asian culture where extreme emphasis is put on education.

3) Italians and Latino men make for passionate lovers.
- Well, both of these cultures use romance languages. As far as latinos, they like to dance which for women = sex.

4) English people have bad teeth.
- That's all European people. Less emphasis is put on hygene there.

5) Mexicans are lazy.
- Again, this is part of their culture. They aren't lazy, they just don't have the work ethic Americans are brought up with. They are more concerned with seeing and doing everything with people rather than being on time.

6) Men are better than woman at science and math.
- Some are, some aren't. Men use the side of their brain concerned with science and math more than women who use the creative side more often. That's nature for you.

7) Asian girls do this thing with their tongue.
- Damn straight.

8) Jews are miserly.
- No proof here, but it's fun to make fun of the jews for it.

9) The French are promiscuous and often smell bad.
- French movies project the promiscuity image. They do often smell bad to Americans because we shower on average about 2-3 times per day while they are at about that much per week. They think if they just put on some cologne they'll be fine. IMO, they're wrong... but that's just French culture.

10) Americans are arrogant.
- No we're not. We're just better than you.

11) Blonde woman are stupid ditzes.
- If only...

12) Inbreeding is common in the Deep South and among hillbillies. And so forth.
- People live so far apart in the south that often their own families are the only people around for miles so I suppose this could occur. Due to the illegality of it today, I doubt it still occurs though.

by Hank at February 27, 2005 1:56 PM

Damn Hank, I do believe you've wandered into your own midst. By which I mean, you fit in on this site. Please stick around. We're not always this depraved, it goes in cycles.

by anna at February 27, 2005 9:52 PM

What's this tongue thing? I must have missed the Secret Asian Female Society Memo.

by jean at March 1, 2005 2:46 AM

They slip it up your asshole for no apparent reason.

by anna at March 1, 2005 8:27 PM

Have you seen the movie Tommy Boy? I imagined Hank as Dan's character: "I make car parts for the American working man, cos that's what I am, and that's who I care about!"

3) Italians and Latino men make for passionate lovers.
- Well, both of these cultures use romance languages.

No they don't, they just use languages. An Italian man turning to his wife and whispering softly: "I need to take a shit." Would sound romantic to an English speaking person who can barely conceive of ever learning another language. Lord knows why. English speaking nations, or I should say Hollywood, has somehow tagged romance to foreign words and accents.

4) English people have bad teeth.
- That's all European people. Less emphasis is put on hygene there.

lol, just make sure you tell everybody you know, the fewer baggy short wearing overly audible Americans coming to look at castles and to latch on to any historical info on anything containing even a single letter of their surname... The better. Heh.

Good stuff Hank, hah heh, 7 through 10, my laughs got louder as I worked downward.

Jean, you can't do the thing with your tongue? :(

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 2, 2005 5:54 AM

Just had a power pack for my VAIO delivered that I bought off E-Bay from a guy in Japan for a sweet £18. Heh. There was a little note attached:

Dear Friend:

Thanks for purchase of this wonderful item. I am sure you will enjoy this beautiful item.
More similiar items are available at:

Ebay Seller:

This is our great pleasure to serve you. If you have any question, or any concern at all, please email us.
This is our our goal to make all our clients with wonderful shopping experience.

Regards.
Peter

I'm keeping it on my fridge. Tickles me. Worth the £18 just for the chuckle I got. It's a stretch calling a power pack beautiful... But uh, whatever floats the old boat eh. "This is our goal to make all our clients with wonderful shopping experience." Aaah hah heh. Commercials for giant corp products should sound like that, brilliant.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 2, 2005 6:41 AM

EX - Romance languages are those with a common ancestor in Latin. The are more melodic than our German based English. Yes, the American are loud and often ignorant (but so are the Chinese, Vietnamese, and Germans) and that's their culture. Just like lesser hygiene is part of the European culture.

Also, I really doubt I'm that guy since I prefer to escape America (I went to Tibet among other countries last summer) and would be perfectly happy in many of those places. If it were up to me, I would be living in Tokyo or Singapore right now.

by Hank at March 2, 2005 8:49 AM

It seems to me power is in your own hands, and talk is cheap. It may not be practical, or an easy decision, but if you really wanted to be living in one of those places you would be. Our Western idealogy emphasizes the ability to choose, and you choose to talk about living there, but unlitmately choose not too.

by dominathan at March 2, 2005 11:24 AM

Hank... Lesser hygiene is part of the culture? I can't even imagine the European countries on the very Eastern fringe lack good modern hygiene, and high standards for it Crazy talk.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 2, 2005 3:22 PM

Okay, hygiene is less important to them? Americans as a whole shower on average over 2 times per day... in Europe (like France) it's 2-3 times per week. They just cover up the smell (or try to) with perfume. I'm an international business student at the moment so I know these things and that's why I'm not in Asia right now.

American degree + American Business + Working in Asia > Just Working in Asia.

Trust me, I'll be there eventually... but it'll be when I get a great deal of benefits for doing so.

by Hank at March 2, 2005 4:49 PM

I have no quarrel with any man who says the French are unclean... I think it's well known how I feel about my Romance Language sporting neighbours. So, not running to their defence or anything... But...

... I am curious to know how a travelling American is privy to the showering habits of a nation of 61 million people. And then on the basis of his findings in France... Sweeps an entire continent, and my purty little island and people, into the same category of embracing bad hygiene as culture. Heh heh.

Curious is all.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 2, 2005 5:46 PM

Boys, boys. It's just fun to bash the French's hygiene, promiscuity and wine habits because they are on a different Romance language internet and thus can't defend themselves. Cheese-eating surrender monkeys indeed.

by anna at March 2, 2005 10:13 PM

Businesspeople learn about foreign hygiene habits so they don't upset or become upset at their foreign associates for things that are normal to them. It's basically sensitivity training. Ex Crimson, I don't know if this is happening in Britain, but everything here in the US is anti-bacterial at the moment. It's a huge trend. Every hand wipe, soap, and even tissue has to kill germs. They're making computer keyboards out of antibacterial plastic! It's wild.

Something that happened in the US to a former boss of mine: she is African-American and was interviewing at a big consumer products company. They make shampoo, and the interviewer made some kind of remark like, "Well, of course everyone shampoos every day." She said, "I don't, my hair gets shampooed once a month when I go to the hairdresser." He looked visibly disgusted. She said, "So does everyone else with hair like mine." ...No improvement. So she turned down the offer.
Anna, that is crazy. Those girls must be members of the Hygenically Blase Auxillary. My god.

by jean at March 3, 2005 4:32 AM

Like Jean said, it isn't like I pop in and watch to see when people shower, we are simply taught these things in business school. On average does not mean everyone. If we say the French shower once a month and you shower once a day (extremely simplified example) it balances out.

by Hank at March 3, 2005 6:46 AM

You're taught stereotypes at business school? Saying an entire nation or continent is this or that, is stereotyping, Anna's right, there should be some way to just get it out of them.

"So you French... Huh. What is with the lack of cleanliness?"

Jean's example of the wild stuff going on State-side, is perfect, these things are being invented and sold, and yes to answer the question, virtually every product designed for cleaning something is anti-bacterial here. I'm left wondering if it hasn't always been. Smith & Nephew, Reckitts & Coleman... German companies, provide most of the priducts to this country, though they're made here. And I imagine Johnsonn's Baby stuff, which if I'm not mistaken is a British company, provides, along with Smith and Nephew, and others, their stuff to America. But back on point, there's all this stuff being made and sold and it seems like all over America people are going wild for it... But in reality, probably more than half of you guys aren't. Maybe in the deep South after a family orgy, they just hit the sack, failing to shower, preferring to sleep in their sweat and smells, and then not bother to clean the bed sheets the next day. *shudder*

I say the French smell because I don't like them, heh, not because I have any proof.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 3, 2005 8:29 AM

Culture is stereotyped by its nature. A culture is pretty much the average of the beliefs, values, etc held within a culture. On AVERAGE the French shower 2-3 times per day. On AVERAGE German cars are better than American cars. On AVERAGE Asians are shorter than Blacks. There are people that are different, obviously, but when you're in marketing, you market to the majority; not the minority.

by Hank at March 3, 2005 5:28 PM

that's what puzzles me about EU. You've got the English, French and Germans who've been @ each other's throats, trading insults and such. And now with this magic stroke of the wand they're all best buds? I am thinking no.

by anna at March 3, 2005 7:23 PM

Well, the EU is primarily an economic institution. In order to compete with the US, China, etc the EU is necessary. Even with the EU, France and Germany have almost twice the unemployment rate of the US (and we know how much people complain about our 5% unemployment). The EU is necessary to keep Europe competitive.

by Hank at March 3, 2005 8:14 PM

Yeah is there no way somebody state-side can invent an island moving machine? Slide us close enough to tough the edge of America, make Britain the fifty-first state? *sobs* - France! I mean, come on!

The thing about on AVERAGE, I get. I get that folk can look at Asians and say, "On average they aren't as tall." But I don't get how they can look at Americans and say, "On average they are showering 2-3 times a day." And then look at Europe and say, "These guys, these guys... Pfft, 2-3 times a week!" What are they monitoring shower gel purchases from every household? Maybe Americans are using giant squirts of the stuff,? On average, Americans are larger than other people, aren't they? ;)

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 3, 2005 9:55 PM

I think you mean fatter Crimson... not larger. :)

And as for EU it works from a marketing perspective (or so I can regurgitate from what my teachers at school say) because if a product works in one country it probably will work in the next, and subsequently the rest of Europe. This doesn't mean it will work in Asia or America though; a good example is Marks and Spencer... big bommo on bringing it to Canada and and the US, same with Radio shack going to Europe even though it does excellent Downunder.

by dominathan at March 3, 2005 10:14 PM

I don't know if there's any way to describe how awesome it was to walk down the street in Hong Kong and realize that at 5 feet tall I was average height! It was a revelation. Taller people see the backs of heads when they're walking, not shoulder blades or even the smalls of people's backs. Amazing. Just amazing.

by jean at March 4, 2005 4:15 AM

I recall that song Short People by Randy Newman. "Short people got no reason..." Imagine the backlash if someone released something that derogatory today. Even though the tune itself was just frothsome nonsense, the mere hint of singling out a group won't do. Hence the lack of studies I bemoaned.

Yet I think you could release White Men Can't Jump II.

by anna at March 4, 2005 6:00 PM

I grew up with asians, and I can tell you that I've met plenty that are dumb.
Asians tend have specialist intelligence... that is they excell at one area... usually academics than others... and the rest are quite poor at...

secondly, asians tend to hang together, with a few very good academics... thereby allowing all their work to be blantantly copied to the rest of the group for popularity... one hand washes the other

Also another reason why the asian academics do well, is due to parental/ familial pressure... the parents don't want their children to fail, and end up like themselves, so are willing to beat the shit outta them, or pay off anyone who will advance them...

plus they also attend 'review' schools after school and on the weekends...
this plus the motivation that the parents will beat the crap outta them usually do breed some outstanding achievers!

by john at April 6, 2005 2:07 AM

I want to start dating a black girl but she thinks my dick is small. I tell her it is 8 inches but she still thinks black guys have bigger dicks than white guys.

by Ryan at June 17, 2005 11:15 PM

please will a black girl suck my dick and let me fuck you in your ass.

by Ryan at June 17, 2005 11:17 PM

mexicans are lazy? then why do they go thru hell to cross borders to pick fruit clean your kids shit wash cars wash dishes park cars etc. and most of them have more than 2 of the jobs i mention oh and by the way those are the nice jobs the mexican is the modern day african american they are the new jim crow havent we learened anything from the past about stereotypes maybe not and thats what makes us all ignorant.

by sambo at August 11, 2005 6:34 AM

by sambo at August 11, 2005 6:35 AM

Well, I know that latino men can be very passionate, but I strongly agree on the fact that italian men, from personal experience, are exceptional lovers. They are very suave and very passionate and leave vulgarity aside!! When in intimacy, they opt to please their woman, as it is their main goal, so I guess that's where the women come out saying that they are better lovers...I agree at 100%, because when placed in a romantic situation, the goal should be to please the other first...
I've yet to see an american guy who is not vulgar while speaking about sex and making it become a disgusting thing...if american women prefer italian men...well maybe you're doing something wrong...you should opt for italians strategies on..."how to make a woman "feel" like a woman:D"
ps: i'm not american...

by Antonella at March 2, 2006 2:02 PM

There are passionate English, American, Thai, Rwandan, German, even Iraqi men I'd wager. You could go to Kuala Lumpur and find Mr H.Q Passionate, and then go to Italy and encounter Johnny Q Fartsinyourfaceforalaugh. Ye missed zee point slightly.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 2, 2006 2:38 PM

I don't think i've missed anything really as I only expressed my opinion on my personal experience about number 3...that italian and latino men were passionate lovers:)... I've never quite generalized it for the world population...:) let's not get confused:)

by Antonella at March 3, 2006 11:28 PM

I just want to ask you guys one thing, what ii the difference between mass stereotyping, as a lot of you are doing and racism?

I'm British myself i wash twice a day floss brush use mouthwash and own a tongue scraper.
All this 'On average' stuff is BS,if you asked EVERY frenchman how many times he washed a day added up your total and divided by 60,656,178 i would believe you. I have been to france the reason it is occasionaly smelly there is the mediteranean climate and the proximity of the sewering to the surface, hot poop smells bad :(.

Look at it this way you meet 1 frenchman who smells and you think to yourself "damn smelly frenchman", but do you notice when you meet a smelly *random person* you dont think all *ethicity of said person* are smelly. The reason why= maybe you are very easily manipulated to believing racial sterostyping.

by Tom at August 16, 2006 9:13 PM

I loathe the French though, so that makes them instantly smelly. I think my loathing is based on stereotypes with a hint of 'actions to date on the part of the French'. I wonder does the term' French Shower' exist anywhere outside of the UK? The act of spraying on your smellies and avoiding water, definition: A quick solution to the nagging problem of having to bathe.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at August 18, 2006 8:33 PM

Your logic ties me up and rapes me

by anna at 05:05 PM on February 24, 2005

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