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Equality in every manner
by dominathan at 12:58 PM on February 22, 2005
The other day a I had a completely random thought. Some of the talk about women's rights make me think this may be valid.
I am an advocate of equality in every way shape and form, but our legal system, among other aspects of Western society, make me wonder how equal we really are.
My sister recently brought up the idea of creating a Women's only group for an organization in which she is participating. She asked my opinion on if I was offended. I wasn't, but my point is that they are creating a group to discuss men, men should have a right to be present. And ultimately if equality is the ideal, how will segregating yourself from half the population bring that about?
I said to reverse the situation. If equaity is true then she should be able to consider whether or not men having a "men's only" meeting, to which no women could attend but would be discussed, would be offensive and insulting. But she repetedly stated that is different. And why is it different? Because women help contribute to the ideal that they are allowed do things men cannot.
So getting back to my random thought, I belive that men should be able to just clock a woman when need be. I know that many people out there are against violence in form, and it is assault no matter what. Consider the reaction of so society though. If a 200 lb man hits a 150 lb man while drunk at the bar, he might get thrown in the drunk tank, and get a slap on the wrist.
If that same man hits a 150 lb woman, it is a whole new ball game. He is a social outcast, a woman beater. Yet that woman slaps the man, and rarely will anything come from it.
Women that constantly fight for women's rights are the same ones that say a woman can do anything as well as a man. If this is true, defending themselves should also be an option these women have.
So basically if all things are equal, and I am in a situation where I feel I would hit a guy for something he did, I should be able to punch a girl for the same thing.
comments (36)
I’ve hit a woman before, named Caz Reagan, lamped her, she hit the ground like a rag doll, first human being I ever knocked unconscious, was a female. Don’t picture a petite, gorgeous looking, fragile and defenceless female, and the level of hate you might suddenly feel toward me lessens somewhat. She was a bully of females, sporting a hardcase boyfriend and brothers, and she seemed to think she could hand out random slaps and punches to all and any female, no matter how much younger they might be. Horrible, ugly woman, weighing in at a cool fourteen stone. She was just in my face, not so much screaming, as wailing, when she grabbed my throat I and tried to pull off some kind of suplex wrestling move on me, I’m not sure what she going for, I just lamped her and moved on, leaving her in a nice pile on the pavement.
I sported a terrible title back then for doing that, amongst my friends, and I had to fight her boyfriend, and her brother, in the weeks after it. Anytime a lass came up to talk to me my friends would kick into chorus and start “Oooo’ing”: Don’t go near him or he’ll crack you one. … Type stuff.
I have no problem with smacking a woman, even square in the jaw, if they’re either hitting on me, someone I know, male or female (depending on the reasons why), or just mouthing off. The movie Way of the Gun, that kind of hit. It all depends on the aesthetic qualities of the female, and how big she is to my messed up brain. Yeah, I’m that shallow. If a gorgeous bird is in my face, even if she’s slapping me every which way for reasons that she’s just making up… I’ll let her do it. But if a fourteen stone heifer gobs off and goes to hit me, she’s going down.
There’s a car insurance company in this country named Diamond, and it only offers insurance to female drivers. If you have balls, you can’t get insurance, and the ‘bitch’ of it is, it offers the lowest premiums available, anywhere… Where’s the equality, eh? Women only gatherings… I can’t think of a man alive who’d want to sit in as the PC male representative, he’d end up having arguments about why men he isn’t, dump women with no explanation. Why men do this, that, and the other, and all the while they’re talking and complaining about it, women the world over are doing the same ‘I just don’t get men’ deeds. *sigh* What drives us? You do, you crazy female beggars, what drives you… Cosmopolitan dictated and created - By women - moods, emotions, and female conditions… heh.
by Ex Crimson Guard NCo at February 22, 2005 4:56 PM
We had a "battered spouses" shelter near my old house. You'd see some pretty disheartening folks sitting outside there. All women, most sporting visible injuries. I felt really bad for them, but not so much for the occasional dude in a sling. First off, he probably let a gal get the best of him in a fight. Or worse, he didn't even defend himself to a point where injuries were prevented. At least quell the attack. As for "clocking women," I can't advocate that. Just wasn't brought up that way.
by anna at February 22, 2005 5:52 PM
Dominathan, are you f*cking serious? A man should be able to "just clock a woman when need be"? So I guess you wouldn't mind if some guy twice your size decided you were talking too loud on the street with your friends and decided to haulk off and clock you? Or perhaps he decides he doesn't like your girlfriend complaining about something, and he decides to clock her? Maybe he doesn't like the fact that your mother accidently cut in fron of him at the store, and he decides she needs to be taught a lesson. Hey, he's a man, she's a woman. And we all know women need to be put in their place now and then. Right?
In America if you punch someone, whether you are male or female, you will be arrested on assault and battery charges, and if that person decides to press charges you can expect to spend a year in jail. Hitting someone is a serious offense, whether you are male or female, and it has to be that way. I don't want people to have free reign to come up and hit me, or any of the women in my life. Last time I got into a fight it was broken up under threat of arrest (by bystanders, the cops didn't show up) - and indeed it should have been, because I was about ready to kill the guy, and even though he was clearly the instigator, and in the wrong, I should have appreciated the law.
I don't know you, but think of the power in the idea you expressed. How do you think it makes women feel to know that a significant number of the men around them think it should be ok to haul off and hit them "when need be". There's a word for that: disempowering.
As for women-only groups, I'd say it depends on whether men have a reasonable expectation of being able to join the group. For instance, if it's a private group, or a group that gets public funding. There are certainly cases of men-only groups here in America, many of which are somewhat controversial - such as male only country clubs, or the bohemian grove in Northern California where the business leaders of the world gather to "network". You won't find Carly Fiorina there.
The women I know who fight constantly for women's rights don't argue that all women can do everything as well as men. Rather they argue that their choices for what they can and can not do should not be limited simply because of their gender. Or legally speaking, their ability to be assaulted should not be based on their sex - as your random thought suggests.
by Chris at February 22, 2005 5:58 PM
Chris, while more indignantly than I would have, brought up the same thing I was thinking re: Isn't it illegal to hit anyone, male or female? Besides, if you've ever watched cops you'll know that women get locked up for domestic disturbances just like guys do.
by mg at February 22, 2005 6:46 PM
No, I don't believe he was serious with that part of his post. At least I hope not.
by anna at February 22, 2005 7:05 PM
here on Earth, dominathan, we have an extensive field of study that helps cultivate random thoughts just like yours. it's called social history.
by not chris at February 22, 2005 7:54 PM
Hitting women seems wrong.
(Except when she asks for it.)
(Also, except when she is yelling "nooo!" but you KNOW she wants it.)
by Eviltom at February 22, 2005 8:41 PM
Personally I think Dominathan's post was probably inspired by A Modest Proposal or some such writing. His idea isn't defensible, but neither is the status quo he's calling into question.
by chuck woolery at February 22, 2005 9:50 PM
I agree in my post that is is assault, I was just using violence as an example because
a) it gets people attention and
b) it is an example of the hypocrisy i was trying to point out.
When it comes down to it, I agree it is assault either way, but lets face it, men and women are not tried equally when it comes to violence. My point is valid when taken in it context. A man punching a woman has the potential to end up in jail for years, seeing a woman slap a man at a bar immediately makes 20 men run over and support her.
If this is an equal world, liberal in the true meaning, shouldn'y we change our perceptions to be disgusted when either sex strikes out? shouldn't we call into question any group that seperates themselves from the rest of us... points out their differences, and then bitches about it when we notice?
I believe this happens in reference to homosexuality, religion, race, and sex. It is about perception. How will people be equal as long as we create different rules every step of the way?
by dominathan at February 22, 2005 11:48 PM
And so you don't get ideas about me just defending my own actions the only females i have seriously "clocked because I felt the deserved it" are family when i was but a prebuscent young man, when the fights were, to be frank, still fair.
by dominathan at February 22, 2005 11:49 PM
I think this has been discussed before, but I'll bring it up again. If a woman wants to fuck up a guy's life all she has to do is sleep with him and then cry "rape." It doesn't matter if he's guilty or not. His name is spread all over the news while hers is protected. Even if he is found innocent, his reputation is ruined.
If a woman is raped it's serious business. If a man is raped it's a joke. Sexual equality doesn't exist and it's unbalanced on both sides. Creating an anti-rape organization that only defends women and ignores men just widens the divide.
As for hitting a woman: I think it's not okay to strike anyone, unless it's self defense. In that case, I'm an equal opportunity knuckle sandwich giver. Someone grabbing my throat qualifies for a knuckle sandwich.
by MrBlank at February 23, 2005 12:55 AM
Nobody should hit anybody, except in self-defense. Having said that, I think that if an aggressive, dangerous-looking male goes to trial for assaulting a non-threatening looking male, that everyone would sympathize with the victim. He needn't be female.
by jean at February 23, 2005 4:01 AM
it's that whole thing: we only want the good aspects that come with equality.
by lockheed at February 23, 2005 4:57 AM
"When men get raped, it's a joke." There's always been that thing about behind bars lovin', for example. But there is a guy who is seriously campaigning for this cause i.e. stopping it, and I applaud him. Lots of luck, but still I applaud him. Whore Hey never got boned, BTW.
by anna at February 23, 2005 7:51 AM
Chris : So I guess you wouldn't mind if some guy twice your size decided you were talking too loud on the street with your friends and decided to haulk off and clock you?
That's the point, though, isn't it? I wouldn't start mouthing off to a guy who, by estimation, could knock me clean out with a silent fart, or a limp wristed, I'm not even trying, backhand. This guy is huge, god dammit, I ain't saying squat to him. And I'm certainly not going to get in his face unless I see him doing something really bad, like, oh I dunno, beating on a woman half MY size. lol
So Caz Reagan... A quick estimation of me, decides, "Yeah, I can take this guy." No. She just wasn't thinking. You know why? Cos she figured, "He WON'T hit me." Not because she's fourteen stone of pure globular hideous flesh, and harder than I am. But because, why?
Caz: "Because I'm a woman? I was thinking, he won't hit a woman."
That's right, that's why. If I can look at another man and think better of mouthing off, getting in his face... Why can't the louder, "I'm begging to be smacked just for testing this line to see if you'll cross it", women make the same estimation?
He won't hit me I'm a woman, I'm sorry, is no excuse. I'm not condoning cracking women for the sake of cracking them... But, for my part anyway, you're getting a face full of five if you test that line with me. "I'm a woman." Isn't a free pass to push yourself into the face any man, or to physically attack him. If anything, in my book, "I'm a woman." is a great reason not to do that. I've seen plenty of women, never mind big men, who I wouldn't say boo to for fear of getting knocked out. Heh. I dunno, you see the point? Probs not. Thos guys who beat on their wives, WTF? Even is she is getting in your face, shit man, that's your wife, your girlfriend, whatever, even if she is kicking your head so hard you're going blind... Shouldn't even cross your mind.
But those, ooooooo, those noisy in your face line testers... grr..
Yeah hitting people is wrong, but come to Britain, to a big city, for a couple of weeks and spend some time out drinking... I will guarantee after the first couple of outings you'll either want to never see another British night out, or you'll want to be in a group of at least five before you do. Binge drinking women here... Bah, more women fighting than blokes at two in the morning. We've taken to drinking in the student district here in the city, much nicer, safer, and more fun. If not we go to the villages, again, much safer, all you got to worry about in the villages is squaddies. Rare I have a night out without seeing some form of violence though. The bouncers are paid well for a reason, me thinks.
by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at February 23, 2005 8:14 AM
i'm so relieved that conceal & carry was recently passed in my state-- no more wasting precious time assessing whether the person i want to clock is taller/heaver than me or not, i can just blow his or her fuckin head off.
by not chris at February 23, 2005 10:45 AM
Ahh the gun.
The solution to and base of all your problems. It really does even the playing field, assuming everyone carries one (and Michael Moore movies make me think it is not all that far off in America). All you have to do is make sure you draw quicker and shoot first.
It leaves little time for reaction and no time for retaliation. It must be the best way to do things. And to allow concealed weapons is an even better idea. It is only a matter of time before a person gets off on self defense when they "thought" the other person was going for their gun.
Guns have changed the world, made it so in wars you don't have to kill a person anymore... just the enemy. They have allowed all people to feel the power that can come from taking and controlling another person's life with ease. And it is even better because it is instantaneous, our fast food equivalent to leadership. Put whoever has the biggest or most concealed weapons in charge and we are bound to be safe.
And people claim they use guns for self defense? Answer me this: which came first, the gun or the fear of the bullet? What reaction is most likely when a gun is pointed? there is no real resolution to shotting somebody. It is the cowards way out and always will be.
by dominathan at February 23, 2005 1:26 PM
Conceal and carry? Here in VA you can walk around brandishing handguns, rifles, shotguns, whatever---just not in bars. You need a permit but it's available.
by anna at February 23, 2005 6:20 PM
dead in here lately...simply dead...
by LOCKHEED at February 24, 2005 12:03 PM
Maybe we could solve sexism by giving men tax breaks for every time they hold the door open for a woman. Hmmm, but then we might have to do something about the inequity in how the prison system is paid for, as more than 90% of inmates are men, yet women and men pay equally for the system to exist. Maybe that's your answer right there. Would it make you feel better to know that when it comes to violence perpetrated against others, women can sometimes get away with slapping a man more so than vice versa, if you thought of it as a kind of moral tax break for women since they pay 10:1 for the burden of incarcerating the opposite sex for disproportionately perpetrating crime on our society. If that doesn't make you feel any better consider the overall effect violence against women has on our society as a whole. When I watch the news, it's story after story of women being raped or assaulted - a crime targeted because of sex. As a result, many of the women in my life structure their lives around not going out alone at night, and being very careful in public, in a way that is different for a man (men have to fear random crime, but are not generaly targeted because of their gender). It has an effect, and ongoing effect on one's psychological comfort.
Which brings up MRBLANKs observation about women who cry rape. Sure it's terrible, and there's absolutely no excuse for it. But rest assured, the story is not all wine and roses for rape victims real or otherwise. Women who have been raped, or who cry rape, are considered damaged goods. Their names are often NOT protected (look at Kobe Bryant's accuser - we don't know the story, but everyone considers him innocent andher identity was definitely not protected. The same thing happened with the Kennedy cousin several years ago). The whole process is terribly humiliating. Because to cry rape is to put yourself on trial, which explains why most rapes go unreported. A guy accused of rape can say he didn't do it, and may be looked on with mixed responses. A woman who is raped and feels that to report it would ruin her life, simply lives with having been raped, and the frustration that society would not have supported her (which may be an accurate perception or not depending on her disposition, and the resources and the reputation of her attacker).
Anyway, I'm not really sure what you're reacting to (perhaps you aren't sure either) in complaining that a woman can slap a guy but not vice versa. Personally, (and for all the people in my life) either sex hitting anyone in an unprovoked manner IS equally discusting. If a woman in a bar strikes a man, I would wonder if perhaps he was touching her after she had asked him not to. Who knows, the general case of women slapping men simply beacuse they can get away with it, is not so general in my experience, and if it does happen ocassionally, it doesn't leap outside my realm of unterstanding.
As for "calling into question" groups which separate tehmselves from the rest of us.....who is us? People form into groups to discuss things away from other people all the time. It's especially helpful if you find yourself in an oppressed group. I have to admit I don't see what the fuss is about, I mean unless you start talking about a group of womyn who want to form their own male-free state and secede from the union. Then I'd be concerned.
by chris at February 24, 2005 2:12 PM
I can say it a hundred times... I don;t advocate violence in any form. I was using it as an example. excellent post though, it does an excellent job af cutting down my example.
And as for us part I don't feel oppressed at all. The "us" I am referring to is humanity. As I said the equality issues are similar if not the same when it coes to race, sex, religion, and numerous other identifying traits. It is the whole idea that people want to bitch about getting treated like equals and then want special treatment in some circumstances. I understand the need for people to put themselves in a group to help give themselves identity, and i agree with treating them as equals, just many people will never be happy. They take it too far. They want to be superior under the facade of fighting for equality.
by dominathan at February 24, 2005 3:09 PM
I blame the mothers of those deranged male criminals. Bwahahah.
j/k, don't hit men.
by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at February 24, 2005 6:09 PM
Why do women usually slap men in bars? Come on now. I'm like exceedingly polite and defferent to women in real life. I haven't been slapped once in 45 years.
by anna at February 24, 2005 6:40 PM
BTW- "Dominathan" is such a GAY sounding name. It's all lispy and gay.
by Eviltom at February 24, 2005 9:22 PM
I also have never been slapped by a woman... but have seen it happen. I'm not really sure what possesses them... my guess is the alcohol combined with assumptions or a rude comment.
And if haven't been slapped in 45 years than you just aren't trying hard enough Anna
by dominathan at February 24, 2005 10:53 PM
Jeez. They slap men because dudes make lewd comments about where they'd like to deposit their loads. Or they'll peer at their erect nipples and go, "Chilly in here, huh?" Just makes a gal feel all warm and tingly, no?
by anna at February 25, 2005 7:48 AM
Tom maybe it's you that needs a new (gay) name. I was thinking about Wicketomination.
by anna at February 25, 2005 7:51 AM
While I don't agree with "clocking" women; I don't believe in clocking anyone. I have to agree with most of this post though. Don't ask for equal rights and the ask for special treatment. Also with the segregating yourself: I totally agree. I'm black and when I see all of these "black only" groups and black only scholarships it just makes me think that other blacks aren't wanting equality, but preferential treatment.
by Hank at February 25, 2005 12:34 PM
I recently applied for scholarships, and bursaries. I was silly to think I could win anything just by maintaining a 90 average. Turns out you need to be a one-legged native with parents that fought in the World War, and live in a shanty with no roof.
by dominathan at February 25, 2005 1:04 PM
Hank! Please stick around. Contact MG about posting here. This site is tragically white with some Asian overtones. It's the site that can't jump. We need a real brother to post. Really.
by anna at February 25, 2005 6:20 PM
Welcome Hank! Anna, you're a scream.
by jean at February 27, 2005 4:34 AM
http://66.160.135.81/misc/videos/
If this kind of "Happy Slap" shit doesn't justify a punch in the face then I don't know what does.
by MrBlank at March 2, 2005 1:35 PM
Aaah, what did I say in another comment about Sarf Landoners looking like they wanted to crack you, but that they never did. I take it back.
First thing to go if they came near me would be the phone, I'm sure you can use a mobile phone to bludgeon somebody to death, right? Maybe the video capture would be a bit shaky though.
I found some of those hard to watch... I can't believe some people can just take it without lashing out. Just standing there letting these tits slap em around... Christ, fight ffs! You're taking a mild beating anyway, make it count. That poor council worker who ran off the bus, obviously on a ride home from work. They're redifining the word 'why'. And the kid on the underground whose head slammed back into the panel. That young hooded kid just standing there too. The two blokes in the park. I feel like going vigilante. Grr.
by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at March 2, 2005 7:09 PM
I would like to see the day that a woman opens the door for a guy.
How would you feel if you saw something like that? Probably think the guy was physically handicapped or something, huh?
Guys try this: Next time you are on a first date, ask for the bill, and when the waiter puts it on the table just look at it, then your date and say "aren't you going to get that? I thought you believe in equality" and see how cold that date gets.
It's like black comedians making fun of white guys, 'white guys can't dance, can't jump...etc' How long will a white guy last if he cracks jokes like those on national TV?
We in society have been tempered to be pollitically correct to the point that if we start to see the scale start to tip in the other direction we don't say a thing. The problem in end is that when it starts tipping too much and makes people negative (e.g. some people complain that minority-hiring is hurting the hiring of 'majorities'. ).
That was just some found for thought. In the end, I don't believe in equality, I believe women should be spoiled.
by YouTellMe at March 10, 2005 5:57 PM
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by kingdong 2k5 at April 6, 2005 12:42 PM