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I wish I knew more about the French. I don't. China, Russia, have veto power, that makes sense, but France? Ani lo miveen? Would they be opposed if they weren't leaning on the GIANTs of China and/or Russia? Well, I can't contribute more to the discussion, I know some French Jews though...

by LOCKHEED at February 14, 2003 5:56 PM

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FuckFrance.com has a complete history of the French military. Suffice it to say you'd rather have Maria Carey with you in a foxhole. At least she can sing and is fun to bang.

by Anna at February 15, 2003 10:32 AM

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I'd rather have a French woman in my foxhole than Mariah Carey any day. After you'd fucked five ways from Friday, you could smoke a ciggy and have an intelligent conversation.

Mariah Carey would just lie with her legs spread and moan because the ceiling wasn't painted pink, rather than with carnal lust. Yeah, she sure looks cute, but she's as much use to me as a pair of tits on a camel.

I like the French culture. Well, at least they have a culture! Most Americans think culture is something to do with yoghurt.

Jonnie (UK)

by Jonnie Darko at February 15, 2003 5:00 PM

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Next up, fuck the English. Nah, I kid. I wouldnt waste my time on those pasty faced cocks. "At least the French have culture.." take an anthropology class sometime dildo, learn to make a distinction between culture and high culture. Every group of humans has a culture, you want to insult us, try to do something a little original besides attacking us for the same vaccuousness every other country exhibits as part of their pop culture.

by eff at February 17, 2003 10:59 AM

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Jonnie, you attack Mariah Carey like anyone in the U.S. repects her. Personally, I'd rather be in just about any woman's foxhole beside Carey's.

by mg at February 17, 2003 11:48 AM

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LMAO at EFF :)

I just love pseudo intellectuals. You guy's really make me laugh!

by Jonnie Dildo at February 17, 2003 12:34 PM

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That's good. But I don't like that word "yoghurt." Somehow it never looks right, even if you spell it "yogurt".

by Anna at February 17, 2003 4:24 PM

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I find culture to be synonymous with tradition – focused on the past and slowing down progress. It’s a way to divide people into groups. I like black people. I just don’t like black culture. Does that make me racist? Maybe I’m just jealous because I’m an American, blue-collar, white guy with no culture of my own.

by MrBlank at February 17, 2003 5:11 PM

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I love people who try to bait me with emoticons as if LOL or LMAO or UNICEF or ASPCE is supposed to get my goat especially in the abscence of ANY kind of rational response. I can tell right now this fuck isn't English. i've spent more than enough time in the presense of the English to know one wouldnt fold instantly and try and rest on taunts, that is an entirely American mental weakness gained from too many years of talk shows, video games and public school education.

'ow 'bout some bobble 'n' squeak for dinne govenuh, eh whot!? asshole poser.

As for real business, I am not in favor of this war with iraq either, but hate the French I must. Ironic as it seems, I cannot bring myself to agree with them. i don't trust their motives any more than Georgie Porgie's. At least with the German's I get a sense of genuine concern even if it is only to keep things kosher for the current presidential campaign. Anybody know when that is over by the way?

by eff at February 18, 2003 11:04 AM

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I think the German Presidential campaign is over. The anti-american stuff got the guy elected and now he seems to be sticking to his campaign positions now that he's in office.

Very anti-american if he can do that. (anti-canadian too, none of our politicians can stick to a position or promise longer than a week tops)

by ChuckWoolery at February 18, 2003 11:09 PM

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Though I couldn't find anything on it, I seem to recall the recent (September) German elections to have been a very tight race. When all was said and done, there was a bit of a Gore/Bush '02 Florida, vote count thing going on. I think. At any rate, I was able to find this bit, a pre-election run down of the candidates and issues of the election, which was very informative. if anyone is in to being informed.

by mg at February 19, 2003 12:25 AM

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Eff, you're a funny guy! Not "haha" funny. Just plain old funny.

How can you judge one persons nationality from a few lines of text? Your judgements are unsound. As is your ego in relation to any talent you may actually have.

We haven't all got Cockney accents. Nor eat leftovers for dinner. That shows you know zero.

All you know, as you say, is from "gained from too many years of talk shows, video games and public school education" only. Which is shite. If you can't say something with substance, keep quiet little man.

Take a look_see at Bolwing for Columbine. It's a magnificent piece of film, exposing the hipocrasy and limited capacity of your generalised red_neck ceptic. You're probably in it! Shouting about how everyone has a right to bear arms, but no idea why the USA has 11,000 gun related deaths each year, in relation to a few hundred in the UK.

Wake up, there are actually other people outside the shores of the US.

by Jonnie Dark-Dildo at February 19, 2003 8:45 AM

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Oh, wow, a broad, generalized statement about a particular culture answered by another broad, generalized statement about another culture. This is so exciting. It makes me want to go out back and shoot my guns. Ye-Haw!

by MrBlank at February 19, 2003 9:20 AM

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Pop pop!

Bang bang!

Yeeeeeeeehaaaaawwww!

Pass the fookin' salt mister, me farkin pies gawn all sawgy on me innit, guv'nor.

Pie 'n mash missus?

Larvley jarbley.

Watchit you farkin caaant. You keep ya mince pies off me gyal. Or else I'll be switchin' you orf like a farkin light bulb geezar!

Yeah? Well you know these ceptic tank caants innit. They ain't got a farkin brain between the dossers innit.

by Jonnie Darko at February 19, 2003 1:42 PM

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Why don't come over here and say that you limey bastard. "clack" "clack" "chambers round to deal out the 11,001st gun related death." God Shave the Queen!!

by Ugly American at February 19, 2003 3:45 PM

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The comments are beginning to look like something from one of the Osama bin Laden Naked posts. The end.

Actually, not the end.

Lets bring this back up to some level of intelligent discourse. Americans have an almost universal antipathy towards the French. After 9/11 people suggested that the hatred people in the world feel toward the U.S. is based on valid reasons, even if their expression of that anger is irrational (and, seriously, what could be more irrational than suicide attacks?). Isn't it only fair then to assume that American's hatred of everything French is rooted in something a little deeper too?

Could it be because they rolled over for the Nazis? Or that they ignore U.N. sanctions against Iraq? Or could it be because, despite the fact they've got no financial or military power, they expect the rest of the world to accept them as a political power? I don't know, any of those (and more) seem like perfectly valid reasons.

With all the reasons to hate the French, I'd expect the French to be grateful that Americans are only making fun of their personal hygiene and fascination with Jerry Lewis, rather than flying airplanes into the Eiffel Tower.

by mg at February 19, 2003 4:08 PM

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Chirac is making an ass of himself across Europe now with his mocking comments toward the EU applicant states who have sided with the EU states that have sided with the Unites States. The govts of Europe are overwhelmingly on the side of Bush, but as far as I can see, it's the same over there as it is here when it comes to the public. A great many americans who are willing to be vocal are against the war. You get more vocal anti-war protestors than vocal war supporters. Why would anyone go out and protest FOR a war when it's coming any way?

The problem with America is we always take these polls and ask what Americans think regardless of whether or not they fuckin' vote. I don't care what some douchebag thinks if he doesnt vote.

Like we were talking about before, the middle ground. The middle ground is that in order to be able to maintain peace, you have to be ready willing and able to kick ass. no one is going to leave you alone or respect you if can't. Of course diplomacy is best but there are people in this world who will not conform unless they have a gun to their head.

Often enough, it is sufficient to beat your chest to get what you want after diplomacy has crashed and before the shooting starts. I hope that will be the case here. it is not entirely unlikely that this whole thing is a charade (sha-ROD). The first one was. Saddam was our boy wasn't he? He did a great many of the terrible things he's done while we looked the other way. Suddenly it is imperative for us to stop him? I don't question that he is an asshole, but i question our suddenly urgent need to do something. I question why it is so hard for so many of our contrymen to find that as supsicious as I do. I cannot take the bush adminiustration at face value. It has NOTHING to do with that fucked up election. It has everything to do with this being a wag the dog situation.

by eff at February 19, 2003 4:13 PM

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I'm an American. I'm well educated, took French for two years in high school, including a trip there. Then took another year in college and finished up with another trip to France while in college. I know French culture as well as I probably could without living there and trying to assimilate myself as an expatriate.

The French people are just like people everywhere else. They're proud of their culture and identity. They have contributed quite a bit to western civilization historically, regardless of what they do now, which isn't nothing. French science is still some of the best in the world. They don't like it when tourists come there and act like they own the fuckin' place. If you go there and try to speak their language and fit in, they are usually helpful and pleasant.

As for their politics, I don't agree with everything they believe, but I don't take sides with anyone all the time. It's an issue by issue thing. That's the way I view politics here, and internationally. They have a right to disagree, whether we like it or not, just like Americans have the right to protest, like it or not.

I am FOR the war. Personally, I don't give a shit if he has the weapons or not. He's a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to run a country. The Iraqi citizens will be happy when he's gone. They and the world will be a better, safer place, without him.

Has he been our puppet in the past? Yes indeed. Alliances change. When we supported him, Iran was our main concern. Probably he would still be tolerable if he hadn't invaded Kuwait. He's done much to show that he isn't a stable person, nor is he interested in fitting into the larger world community. That community is dominated by western principles, thinking, money, what have you. Is that right or wrong? Who fucking cares. It's the way it is.

America is not evil. Our goals and ambitions are not always honerable. Yes, there are hidden agendas. Yes, there are moral issues that are disregarded at the expense of people. Yes, the third world has been socially and economically exploited for a long time.

The thing you must be aware of is this. Our government does things sometimes that even the people here don't like. So it isn't fair to lump us all into one big boat and say that we're a bunch of pop-culture mall-rats with no concept of what's going on ouside of our borders. That simply isn't true.

What you also have to remember is that, even if our motives are sometimes questionable, we aren't the great satan that a lot of people would like to portray us as. We do a lot of good in the world as well, things that we have absolutely no obligation to do, nor anything to gain from, other than favorable P.R..

After 9/11, we could have turned Afghanistan into a fucking parking lot, but we didn't. We're still there, helping, and it will be a better place eventually, because of that intervention. Iraq is no different. We'll try to do it in such a way as to preserve civilian lives, to the greatest extent possible. We won't carpet-bomb their cities, or their mosques. When we're finished, we'll help to reestablish some order that the people there can then use as a framework to rebuild their society into some semblance of a place where reasonable people would actually like to live.

Will that government be US-friendly? Hell yes. Think of it this way. You don't have to like, love, or agree with all of US policy. And I'm certainly not suggesting that we are beyond reproach or question. Hell, that's what our constitution is based on. The bottom line though, is this... There could be a lot worse countries you could think of to be the most powerful in the world. Having the USA as the premier super-power is not so bad.

You may not like everything about our culture either, but it's not so bad living here. It's fun, and you can actually make something out of yourself if you have any talent and/or ambition. If that were true everywhere, I seriously doubt that we would be going anywhere to bomb anyone. We don't like to fight, but it is necessary sometimes, and we will do it.

This is, in my humble opinion, one of those times where it's justified. Whether he has the weapons or not, who here doubts that he would if he could, and that he would use them? Hell, he gases and tortures his own citizens! Does he aid terrorists? Where's the proof? I don't need any personally. I know he hates the US and all Americans. I have no trouble believing that he would aid anyone that he thought was his ally in that hatred.

His time is at an end, and he is going down. 'Nuff said.

As for the people who disagree with that, fine. Disagree. We've been there for other countries in the past when they needed us, and we would be again. We don't need their permission. I know that's arrogant, but it's a fact. Get used to it.

by Blacklash at February 19, 2003 8:14 PM

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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

FUCK THE FRENCH...PERIOD.

by Kegel at February 19, 2003 9:09 PM

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The French have cut off their nose to spite their face. Saddam had laughed at the U.N. until the Members passed 1441. Resolution 1441 appeared to have some teeth, and for the first time in 4 years, Saddam let the inspectors in. And for the first time in 12 years he did not openly deny access to suspected facilities. I don't think for a minute that he would actually let them get close to his stash, but I'll save that arguement for another day. With the act that the French Foreign Minister pulled at the U.N. last week, Saddam will know that he has some "wiggle room" and push his bounderies. This will cause a war.

by Usama bin Laden at February 19, 2003 11:40 PM

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Exactly, if the "civilized" nations of the world could show a united front, that fucker hussein would have no choice but to give up sooner rather than later. Fuck it, no French are gonna die either way, who the fuck wants them fighting with us? All they had to do was act like an ally.

Do the French have the right to disagree. Sure they do, but this isnt about the right to have an opinion, this is about the responsibility of allies tosupport one another. NATO only just now agreed to back Turkey. That should never have been in question.

The real problem here is that the world is changing and chirac wants france to have as big a piece of the pie as possible. This is about leverage. The french have always been opportunistic weasles so I refuse to see this as a moral stand on their part.

the germans though. i have no clue what their deal is except they have the highest standard of living in europe. All politics are local, maybe there is something there I'm missing.

by eff at February 20, 2003 10:22 AM

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This is what's going on in Germany: Their economy sucks, and like in 1938, when it was much easier to turn to Jews into soap then deal with that, the government (Schroeder) is using the general hostility against the U.S. to gain favor with voters, instead of trying to fix any problems. Sort of the same thing people accuse the U.S. of doing now, but in Germany it's actually working, since people there hate Americans more than people here hate Iraqiis. I guess the Germans just have more capacity for blind, illogical hatred than American do.

by mg at February 20, 2003 12:09 PM

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No French are gonna die? Are you for real? That's exactly what the UN is all about!!!! If the UN go in in an armed situation, every nation in the UN is expected to get their feet wet in one way or another, which if course means sending men into a live firing environment. Therefore, yes, French men will sacrifice their lives as will you ceptics. You seem to have the head in the sand syndrome. What you don't see on the TV, ain't fo'real!

"chirac wants france to have as big a piece of the pie as possible" .... that's horse shit. He's just being as obtuse as is possible. It's in the genes of the French. You probably think you're clever putting a tiltle to this post as "fuck the french!" ... tres verve!! But they've be saying "Fuck everyone!" for eternity. They laugh loudest, at you, because the fact that you, as an overweight ceptic, shows you've been greedy by eating all the pies, not them.

Anyhow, it's president Bush who want's it all his own way. Like a petulant child who can't have his own way by going in on Iraq when he wants to. Yeah, I think it's great that some Euro countries have opposed, just by way that Bush doesn't let his ego get the better of him just because he's got more, bigger guns than everyone else. Who cares?

Let's face it, it's all about power and oil anyhow. There's plenty of other dictators out there who everyone knows has nukes. Look at India and Pakistan ... they've been threataning to nuke each other for ages. But no one gives a fuck. Why? Because they don't have any oil, and Bush ain't shittin it because he knows they aren't gonna knock up the price on a barrel of oil so you yanks can drive around polluting everything in your SUV's and four liter engines etc.

What about President Mugabe? He's been killing his own for ages aswell. It's been well documented. He's as much of a nasty basdard as Saddam. But Bush doesn't give a fuck about that bizniz either ... why? Because they don't have any oil.

So what gives America the right to say who does what and where? Nothing. You've already fucked up many situations by sticking your nose in unwanted business.

Never forget that it was America who sponsored Osama Bin Laden about $4-billion to train his men to kick up a fuss in the arab world. They spend it on arms and eventually send in two jumbo's to kill the people wo gave them the money. And nobody saw it coming.

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Saddam was helped by the USA to kick out the Iranian dictator in the 80's. The money they gave him, he invested in arms research which you are trying to stop now. Nice move America.

Work it out people ...

by Jonnie Darko at February 20, 2003 1:17 PM

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That is a very interesting point MG, I appreciate your feedback. I've had buddies in the army stationed in germany who thought it was awesome. That usually goes hand in hand with not hating americans, but maybe they honestly didn't notice it. South Koreans have the same hangups but their govt is pretty adamant about keeping us around because they KNOW that million man arming is going to crush their nuts the first chance they get.

Frankly, I'd like to figure a way out of all this shit without kicking everybody's ass, but at this point, If the only people we piss off are the French, Germans and Belgians, who gives a shit?

by eff at February 20, 2003 6:19 PM

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Ya it's about oil, but you ain't lookin at it the way you should. First sadman insane is paying patist ahabs to blow up the jews. The jews are pissed. They have the right to be, or do they. get out of the west bank and it stops. Why do the ahabs hate the jews. cause the jews took the oppertunity to better themselves. want-a-bees always hate those who have it. The germans don't give a dam about the jews so they want out. fuck the french they want everything and nobody's givining them anything. their pissed cause nobody pays any attention to france.
So the jews can take care of themselves. they go to bush, say we're going to kill that bastard, and the US gov has a shit fit. if thejews do and they can, all the ahabs will turn on them, full force. we get WW3 in the sand.
so bush say's we better do it for you. why? because we love the jews. fuck no. do a big one in the sand and all the oil stops. not only here, and i admit we use the most of it. so why not. we worked for it. don't believe me. come on over and see if the streets are paved with gold. oil stops all over the world. stop and think just what you would do without it.
what about that ass hole in north K. god damm it. sadman insane is his only cash customer.
this prick has got to go, but not in a full scale war. put $50 mil on his head. see how long he lasts.

OH OH can't do that. then he could do it on busch. HO HO let the leaders get in the ring instead of the commen folk.

this whole thing looks like a blivey. thats trying to put 6 pounds of shit in 5 pound bag.

by joe jamoke at February 20, 2003 9:26 PM

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I have some news for the french. I hate france the only reason I have not said anything is because you french peanut turds keep buying my movies.

by Jerry Lewis at February 20, 2003 10:25 PM

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WE THE WORLD, COLLECTIVELY OIL THE JAWS OF THE WAR MACHINE WITH OUR BABIES! THIS MUST CEASE. CHILDREN, BEHAVE YOURSELVES. WEEP FOR THEM...

by LOCKHEED at February 20, 2003 11:07 PM

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4 litre engines? Shit, that's small!

by Usama bin Laden at February 20, 2003 11:35 PM

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We get our oil from the rig's we have in the North Sea etc ....

by Jonnie Darko at February 21, 2003 7:53 AM

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Jonnie

I agree 4 liters is small, i personaly have a 7.4 liter. But anyway even if this is about oil so what. You dont have to transport your produce 1000 miles to get to the store in your cracker jack box of a country. Oil is the new gold of a industrlized world. Europe should understand this very well since they slaughted and fucked just about every civilized people in the world for gold which feed your Kings and Queens and funded your wars.(thank god for the american revolution) I guess my point is, enough with the oil arguement. If no oil then no economy and yes europe would be effected also. And who gives a shit if we pump oil out of Iraq after the war, the french are pumping now and will be pumping oil even after the war is over. Its not like were going to go and take the oil be force. The people of Iraq will get paid a fair market price for there oil just like everybody else. And this will make them a rich contry in the process, look at Saudi Arabia and Kuwaitt they have more money then they know what to do with. So yes pump the oil, I personlly would not like the see the western countrys grind to a halt.

Oh yea I almost forgot bang bang bang yeeeee hawwwwww, god bless TEXAS!!!!

by Mudkat at February 21, 2003 1:22 PM

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This a comment I got from one of my regular column readers. I did a version of Fuck the French there as well only it was called "Who needs the French anyway?" I don't know if this is one of those widely circulated Internet amusements or not, but I enjoyed it and thought it would play nicely (or not so nicely) here. ENJOY!

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Read your column faithfully. Most of the time I agree with you. Your column on WACKO JACKO and The French were classic. I was sent the following and thought you might enjoy it. Keep up the good work

You have to read this to the end........

Letter from Bosnia

An actual letter from home from a marine with the multinational force in
Bosnia:

Dear Dad,

A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia):

A French army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he thought

we (Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war

in Iraq. He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count

on the support of France.

I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's

rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their

ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface [again] at some point in the

near future anyway. I also told him that is why France is a third-rate

military power with a socialist economy and a bunch of pansies for

soldiers.

I additionally told him that America, being a nation of deeds and

action, not words, would do whatever it had to do, and France's support,

if it ever came, was only for show anyway.

Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US would shoulder 85% of the

burden, and provide 85% of the support, as evidenced by the fact that

this French officer was shopping in the American PX, and not the other

way around.

He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would

like to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and whip

his ass in front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus

demonstrating that even the smallest American had more fight in him than

the average Frenchman.

He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Dad, tell Mom I love her,

Your loving daughter,

Mary Beth Johnson

LtCol., USMC

by eff at February 21, 2003 1:38 PM

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That letter is the epitomy of the typical ceptic. The only way he can dissolve an argument of to get brutal with violence by askin' the Frenchman outside for a fight. Nice one Eff, for backin up my theory of the red-neck mentality at play here. You excel once again at talking shite with zero evidence to back up your prejudicial opinions.

BTW, the Americans didn't bail out the French in Vietnam. Where did you get that idea from? Dien Bien Phu happened in 1954 you nonce! Erm .. The US didn't stick their oar in till about 1963, then 1965 they sent in the troops properly. And I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you all that those pesky little dinks kicked the US out of their country. A virtually third world country kicked the ass out of one of the superpower's of the world. Work it out. Intelligence is more powerful than sheer brute force.

And who said the French were pussies? I'd like to see any of you guys survive the basic training in the French Foriegn Legion. Yeah, none of you would last an hour. Especially you Eff, you'd be like Private Pile you porky ceptic (post Grunge beard 'n all!) ;)

As for WWII, what a crock of shite. The US didn't give a fuck about Europe in the war until Perl Harbour happened 'cause you'd pissed the Jap's off. Don't you remember these thing’s. We were fightin the Nazi's for four years before you lot came in. Hundreds of thousands of English died (gawd knows how many Jews and Russians and other Europeans!) and you lot were too busy watching TV commercials advertising the fact that nuclear products were good for you. Yeah, brush your teeth with radioactive colgate for kicks.

Mudkat. I cannot believe that a 7.4 litre engine is available!! What a sheer waste of resources that is! You don't need 7.4 litres of engine to travel across flat land at 60 mph. That shows how greedy y'all are innit. Doin' seven miles to the gallon whilst we do fifty miles to the gallon. No wonder you're fightin over the oil. And don't forget that the UK transport a majority of their goods in from overseas. So being a small country has nothing to do with just transportin' goods a few hours away. Don't be so superficial.

Most of the comments here just go to show how insular US citizens are. Only knowing what's going on in the little world you create for yourselves. It's a shame. You think that because you have guns then everyone should be doing exactly as you say.

You've (America) been bitchin about the twin towers for ages. Yeah, I have as much sympathy for the victims as you're average American. But we've been bombed and sniped by the Irish and others for decades. Terrorism's been a daily phenomenon for the English for over three decades. Yet we didn't go on a rampage. Stating that anyone who didn't salute the Union Jack as a terrorist. But that’s what happened after 9/11.

So Iraq, as well as being for oil, is just Americas way of flexing their muscles yet again. After they went into kick the Taliban out, they got the power kick again and it just so happened that Saddam was next on Bush’s wishlist.

Nothing more than a show of power.

by Jonnie Darko at February 21, 2003 2:44 PM

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And the ships that bring you your goods what do they run on? coal! Don't be so narrow minded.
Second, you brits got kicked out of every commonwelth you ever had.

Third, Your army would be getting shot at if you didn't try to force your will on the people of Ireland.

As for flexing muscles, I think there will be plenty of your own boys flexing theres right beside the americans.

And for your information my 7.4 liters gets about 16mpg

P.S. This is not an attack on all English just one narrow minded

by Mudkat at February 21, 2003 3:14 PM

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Oh yea I almost forgot again

bang bang bang yeeeee haaaawwwwwwww

by Mudkat at February 21, 2003 3:20 PM

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Yeah, the ships run on diesel. I was making a point referring to your statement that our goods only travel on our oh_so_small piece of land, known as England. My point is that we aren't constricted to our own shores in terms of logistics, therefore oil is also a concern to us.

Secondly: Yeah, we shoud get kicked out of every commonwealth we had. Because it's not our land to take. Just like Iraq ain't your land. Mate. Plus you may notice that we took our commonwealth years ago. Not our finest hour, whilst we raped and pillaged out ideals on the world. But thankfully, we seem to have evolved, and stopped our arrogant behaviour in the last century. Where the US seem to have taken over on our quest of thinking their the beezneez ;)

Thirdly: If you ain't been upto speed of late. We don't force out will on Ireland any more. We shouldn't be there. I agree with the next Irish man. I've spent much time discussing this over pints in pub's with men of both Southern and Nothern Irish descent, in both Belfast and the cities in the southern counties. But it's soo complicated now, that we can't just back out without either the Provo's or the Unionists getting upset. BTW, you'll find that most unionists are of Scottish decent, rather than English.

As for our boys flexing their muscles. You may have realised that I'm not for that. We should stay out of this shit, and that's for sure.

It's nice to know that you get a whole sixteen mpg out of your brutal machine. Whilst I get triple that in my car, thus using only a third of the worlds rescources that you do getting to where I want to go. What's your point?

by Jonnie Darko at February 21, 2003 3:52 PM

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Jonnie, you seem to ignore everything I've had to say so far. I guess it most be easier picking on Eff's weight than entering into an intelligent debate and actually proving the evidence you chide him for not knowing.

First off, you are just wrong about Viet Nam. The U.S. began their involvement in 1950, sure it was limited, but they were there, and they were there in support of France.

Secondly, the reason the U.S. didn't succesfully complete its mission in Viet Nam is because the U.S. had no mission in Viet Nam. It is absolutely ridiculous to assume that if the U.S. had committed fully to the war that things would have turned out how they did. Only a few years earlier the U.S. had decimated Japan, which had managed to conquer nearly the entire South Pacific, including China, and were on their way to Russia. If given the green light, you don't think that same U.S. army could take on tiny little Viet Nam, even with the support of Cambodia, Laos, and China?

You are also wrong about WWII. France and Britian ignored Hitler for years, letting Czechoslovakia fall without doing a thing about it. If they hadn't explicitly promised to defend Poland if Germany invaded, they wouldn't have entered the war until the Germany army were at their borders. How many Jews, Russians, Dutch, Belgians, Norwegian, and Poles died before France and England entered the war? Not to mention all the countries in North Africa Italy was sticking their noses into.

People in the U.S. also protesed going to war against Germany. How come we should listen to the protestors who say stay out of Iraq today, but back in 1940 Roosevelt was supposed to ignore a much larger public opinion?

Sure, the U.S. had no active involvement in the war prior to Pearl Harbor, but Roosevelt did all he could in order to continue providing arms and aid to Britian, even though it had been illegal up to that point for the U.S. to provide such aid to participants in war we were "neutral" in. And when England ran out of money, the U.S. loaned them billions of dollars so they could not only defend themselves, but keep their entire government from crumbling.

After Pearl Harbor, the U.S. could have decided to defend it's own interests and only fight Japan. Yet, Victory in Europe came several months before Victory in Japan because the U.S. made it a priority to defend it's allies in Europe before dispatching it enemies in the Pacific.

As for Ireland, you selfish imperialistic Brits have occupied their homeland for centuries. All those people ever wanted was freedom and self determination. Now, I was under the impression that a fair amount of the violence and terrorism in Northern Ireland was caused by Protestant loyalists, which would, in a sense, mean that everytime a member of the IRA refused to salute the Union Jack, someone did go on a rampage.

by mg at February 21, 2003 3:52 PM

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How can you possibly expect me to have compassion for a man that publishes a post entitled "fuck the french!"?

Anyone who is prepared to make a global statement like that towards an entire nation should be prepared to take some shit in return. If he can't then maybe he should think before publishing such provoking material.

I'm more than happy to have an intelligent arument about all this. It's a good outlet. But in Eff's initial response to my comment, he called me a "Dildo". That's a real good start to intelligent discussion, is it? Not that I give a monkeys you should know ;)

Thanks for your input.

by Jonnie Darko at February 21, 2003 4:07 PM

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Yeah and that first post was SO sophisticated...

I couldnt give a shit less what this wanker calls me frankly. Feel free to call me a fat ass, I'm sure in your mind that is devastatingly witty. You must be the smartest kid in your grade school.

I said "Fuck the French" and I'll say it again. FUCK...THE... FRENCH. Fuck the whole country. They are not relevant. With or without their support, nothing changes.

Fuck Europe for that matter. Fuck the euro, fuck the ruins, fuck the dry humor, fuck the chain-smoking, cafe-dwelling pub crawlers for all I care.

For several centuries the great countries of Europe ran roughshod over the world. They have some audacity now to equate U.S. foreign and economic policy with their unbridled greed. Keeping an economy stable is a far cry from searching for the lost city of gold.

I imagine that we don't actually disagree on many points concerning Iraq. I am not in favor of a shooting war with Iraq. I've said it many times, right here. I've said it in my newspaper column repeatedly. I believe the United States should do more to seek peaceful resolutions to the worlds problems. I do not think, however, that we are somehow obligated to tuck our tails between our legs because our smaller and weaker European cousins look down their noses at us. Your countries are much older than ours but do not confuse age with wisdom just as I do not confuse might with right.

Most of what I hear from Europeans about "how americans are" is crap based on stereotypes gleened from American TV shows. They have this idea that Amerians all live fast and drive huge cars that get shitty gas mileage. Fuck that, i drive a Hyundai. The cowboy stereotype is just about the most laughable one Europeans are constantly looking for because it the easiest thing to find in films of the past. Here's tip: Those movies WERE FANTASIES. You guys have men in armor with swords rescuing princesses, we have cowboys saving towns.

Anyway, most americans use the term cowboy as an insult as well and a guy in a cowboy hat gets stared out over here. Kids don't play cowboys and indians here any more. The great popularity of Westerns no doubt gave you the impression that we just live for cowboy ideals. Again, that's just crap. Almost all of the american films that become popular in Europe are tripe where tough guys blow shit up. Well, that's you problem not ours. For my money I'll go see "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" or "Memento."
Bay Watch was much more popular in europe than it was in America. Seems vaccuous crap with blondes with huge fake tits sells in Europe even better than it does here, but don't assume that because you guys can't get enough of our crap that we buy it all ourselves. I never watched one episode of that shit.

Another issue here is the kind of insane ranting Internet anonymity encourages. There is a zone most of us are in. I am not terribly anonymous here. I dont really give a shit. As a professional columnist I don't have much privacy anyway so the fact that people here can see my fat half breed indian face is of no consequence and if someone hiding behind the safety of a fake name wants to take some potshots, by all means do so. I don't take it personally nor does it wreck my weekend.

I will continue to say what I want, when I want whether you dig it or not gobshite 'cause end o' the day, you ain't in my league bitch. I'm working on more levels than you can count. And now, stories about strippers!

by eff at February 21, 2003 5:15 PM

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When's "My Big Fat Ceptic Wedding" coming out then? That's sure to be a (s)hit!

Who said people are using pseudonyms here? This is my real name. It's just, well ... my parents hate me!

Fuck this malarkey, I'm off to throw some salty potato water over Baywatch. Bitch ( -.-)

Call the fire brigade ......

by Jonnie Darko at February 21, 2003 5:31 PM

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Sure it's your real name. That's why I rented your movie a couple of months ago. Not bad, but certainly not worthy of using it as my online personna.

by Blacklash at March 2, 2003 10:42 AM

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I guess you?re trying to be funny, so perhaps I shouldn?t take this so seriously. But even if it is trying to be funny? it?s a very old and tired thing to say you hate the French. It?s an American cliché ? usually proliferated by A.) people who?ve never been to France and B.) people who met a couple of snobby French people in the States. Humph. If you were to judge all Americans by the class of annoyingly loud, gum popping idiots that tour through Europe ? there would be far more arguments about why Americans suck. America is so isolated and arrogant in the world they create ridiculous caricatures. Guess what ? France has snobs YES, but also working class people AND minorities. They have their versions of liberals AND rednecks. Unfortunately The average American views the rest of the world abstractly and simplistically ? as if the only REAL place were the United States. As if all the ancient cultures of the world are deviants of US.

And HOW would you know about any good French art of the last 30 years if you?re so socially arrogant that you don?t learn to read French or BOTHER with subtitles in movies or read foreign magazines? The French, for one, heralded American Jazz, blues and comics and much great American art WAY before the American cultural elite took notice. Why? Because THEY pay attention. We need to pay attention too.

What I DO like about France, and other European countries is that they actually LISTEN to the will of their people ? their news broadcast and papers ACTUALLY report on protests. Thank GOD for the internet, or I wouldn?t get any real news AT ALL. The French government also CARES about the health of their people. I?m from the south, and one of the FATEST U.S cities, New Orleans. Everyone in my family either has cancer and/or diabetes, is overweight AND an alcoholic. As an adult I slowly became aware of the poison that poor Americans are forced to eat because they can?t AFFORD good food ? they don?t even KNOW what good food IS. It was a revelation to shop in a European grocery store. What we call health food, and buy in health food stores ? they call regular food and sell in regular stores. In France, my mother who has Cancer ? wouldn?t have to fake pain just to be examined by a doctor. Whatever, I LOVE my country ? but that doesn?t mean other countries might not have some better ideas about the way things should be done.

Further, Just because a big tough guy comes in and saves the small little smart guy from a big nasty bully doesn?t mean the SMART little guy should do what the hero tells him

by Ralph at March 3, 2003 4:55 AM

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Oh my god...Stupidity is spreading...

I can imagine the author sitting in front of his TV eating chips, while watching CNN.
Probably he even thinks it'll make him intelligent someday.

I don't really like Chirac but I'm proud of his "no" to the war.
Just as I am proud of our chancellor Schroeder...

I could imagine the author loading his shotgun to defeat the french army...I hope he tries someday just to get his dick shot off.
But I'd fell safe too if I had the biggest, best equipped army in the world to back my poor ass up.
I'd rely on my nuclear weapons to blast those evil french-toasts away if my shotgun is empty...go ahaed pal!
Eerrr...weren't we against weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
Don't we have them at home, too?!?

By the way: The french owe you Nothing. Zip. Nada.
Without the europeans your fat ass wouldn't even exist.
Besides they're your ancestors you'd still live in a british colony without them (or maybe you wouldn't even live...).
How bad would it be if there were no declaration of independence at all...just because the french were too lazy and stayed at home.

You americans are in the french's debt FOREVER!!!

I'm wasting my time.

Luckily all americans I know personally think before they speak so there's a content in their phrases.

I can't wait to hear the responses like "Lol you germans are so funny" or "We don't talk to people from old europe" or even "Fuck the Germans instead of the french".
The best proof of your high level of intelligence would be to call me a nazi because I'm from Germany...

Best wishes from old europe!!!

Blade2305

by Blade2305 at August 20, 2003 11:34 AM

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http://www.flashbunny.org/content/frenchmagazine.html

Looks about right.

by Ezy at August 20, 2003 12:47 PM

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Hilarious.

as good as the I feel lucky button with the query "french military victories" on google.

by chuckwoolery at August 20, 2003 2:15 PM

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That is a pretty good one Chuck.

Blade, I think we've more than payed the French back for their help in gaining our independance.

by Ezy at August 20, 2003 2:53 PM

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What the hell am I supposed to do now, quake in fear before the almighty teutonic logical dead end you've laid before me. First off my little monkey man, i don't owe Europeans a GOD DAMN thing. I'm Indian and French by descent and if weren't for Europeans, I'd be living in a wondrous land of savage beauty, great freedom and spiritual satisfaction instead of talking to some dildo across the ocean who takes the time to respond to a BLOG post that is over six months old. My passion is somewhat faded, so forgive me if I don't have the inclination or anger necessary to make your little prophecy come true by calling you "a nazi" there Nostradumbass. How's that for clever, bitch?

One observation of my own though, because it never ceases to amaze me how many squids there are out there sliming all over the Internet who find time to get up in arms about bullshit like this and they always, ALWAYS end with the usual predictions about what it is you are going to say next as though by listing 10 options, one would be unable to counter them.

I think Old Europe pays more attention to CNN and stereotypes than a great many Americans. The Americans you know, pal, are young enough or rich enough to travel to Germany for starters. The crap you see on TV is just the typical press conference BULLSHIT our president wants you to see. I was opposed to the war. My position was quite clear. Had countries like France and Germany who had clear economic interests in Saddam's regime stood BY US instead of opposed to to us, we might have been able to avoid the war altogether.

BUT, because you guys are a bunch of greedy, lazy, pussies, you din't want to get involved until AFTER Dubya did his dirty work. At which point, Chirac and Schroeder came around to lick our balls and make nice so they could get in on the post war looting. So much for high morals, eh? not only are they cowards, they are greedy and immoral ones to boot.

You aren't the kings of peace, Herr Schlongkopf, you are knee jerk reactionaries who do the opposite of the US just to show your disdain for us without really questioning your leaders motivations. How does it feel to be a tool of the MAN?

Oh and just so I don't TOTALLY disapoint you, LOL, you commie kraut fuck, screw you, screw your bow-legged mama and the American GI who made you a bastard, screw Deutschland and especially screw that syphilitic French asshole Chirac.

Howyadoin'?!
Whoo-hoo, yeah, skveel like a schwein!

by eff at August 20, 2003 3:09 PM

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"Oh and just so I don't TOTALLY disapoint you, LOL, you commie kraut fuck, screw you, screw your bow-legged mama and the American GI who made you a bastard, screw Deutschland and especially screw that syphilitic French asshole Chirac.

Howyadoin'?!
Whoo-hoo, yeah, skveel like a schwein!"

That brought a tear to my eye Eff. Poetic my young Frost.

by Ezy at August 20, 2003 3:15 PM

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Why are you getting so angry?

You aren't frustrated are you?!?

Try to response with arguments and as I already said: Think before you type (if you're able to...).

by Blade2305 at August 21, 2003 12:41 AM

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Oh wow, man, it's like you're reading my mind and picking me apart molecule by molecule. GET... OUT... OF... MY... HEAD!

Oh wait, it's just a mosquito. [kills mosquito]
Now whose blood flows!?

Fact: I responded with a logical argument.
Fact: You did not.
Fact: All world leaders operate on self interest and ALL politics are LOCAL politics.
Fact: Chirac, Schroeder and Putin ie France, Germany and Russia all made money from the Iraqi regime trading in arms and other sundry items like helping that crazy bastard Hussein develop nuclear tech.
Fact: I'm not arguing that the US is any better, on the contrary, I've been up front about the fact that the US was interested in looting the whole damn country. A few countries didn't support regime change in Iraq because they knew they would lose contracts while we moved in and got rich.
Fact: This is all gangster shit and your leaders played you like suckers. "They listened to the will of the people." Bullshit. They used the will of the people as camoflauge to hide their own greedy intentions.
Pure speculation: If your leaders had been more interested in peace than protecting their pockets, they could have prevented this war by backing the U.S. and letting Saddam stand alone.
Fact: By backing Saddamn, they ensured he would hold out and make war inevitable.

So go suck a sausage Fritz cause I aint heard anything from you that tops this highly rational argument.

by eff at August 21, 2003 8:59 AM

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Oh right! I get you.
It wasn't the US that gave Saddam his weapons in 1980 to defeat Iran in the first gulf war...it were the europeans.
Wake up Dumbass!!!
If you don't know the history of your own goddamn country how can you dare to talk about its policy!

And which german politician has ever talked about the will of the Germans?
It is said in our constitution that the politicians are only responsible for their acts in front of THEMSELF (you get it: No word about "You gotta do what the people want".

So...if we vote the wrong people they can even say "I wanna make war and want to steer the tanks by myself."

Btw: It WAS the will of most people here NOT to make war (so maybe Schroeder was lucky that he could continue his business *here your conspiracy theories take place* AND had the people on his side.

Pure speculation: If the european leaders would have backed Bush he wouldn't have attacked???

WHAT?!?!

Just about a month after 9-11 Wolfowitz and his other pals talked about making war in Iraq.
Are you naive enough to believe your government wouldn't do something they planned for over two years?
Do you think they would have sent all the troops home the had already brought to Kuweit?
Damn...you're frustrating me...
You're even dumber than I expected you in my worst nightmares, Mr. Smartypants...talking aboput politician's gangster-shit and expecting George W. Bush to send all your expensively transported troops home to the US because he has proved how much he cares about a peaceful world.

C'MON!

Go and ride your shotgun Cowboy but do the world a favor and stop writing crap.

by Blade2305 at August 21, 2003 9:39 AM

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Cowboy? wow, there is as comepletely non-stereotypical view of Americans, but it is rather telling of your own argument and this argument is all your own. You seem to be engaged in some discussion in which you've decided that my position is "that of ze typical Americanisch who is all bang-bang go get zem cowboy." when it is quite clearly NOT that conversation.

I could care less how frustrated you are after a long day of sitting around cafes smoking thin black cigaretts, listening to horrible euro trash Djs spin trancedelic house music and talking about how cool it is to be European.

Yes, I am fully aware that it was the will of most of europe to NOT go to war as I said last time.

YOU are the one who said you were proud of Chirac and Schroeder dipshit. And I'm here to tell you you're a naive schoolbody indeed if you think your country's leaders are any more clean than mine.

And yes I know we sold them weapons in the 80s, do you think that was all they ever bought from anyone in the world? Ever?

This whole thing is about money. Perhaps you should read abit of world history punk. It is ALWAYS about money.

But you are right about one thing, you are wasting your time if you think I'm rolling over to some Euro-trash pie in the sky socialist who thinks his dream of a world free of American tyrrany is somehow going to start with me.

by eff at August 21, 2003 11:26 AM

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Well...I was just amazed how "serious" you reacted.
And as you said about your great arguments...they're always backgrounded by indignities, which shows your brilliant level of discussion.

Now you're offended as I get myself down to your level? That's cute!

There is only one point you were right.
I AM a schoolboy.
Isn't it sad that a "child" like me can easily argue on a level way higher than yours? Even in a foreign language?

Say what you want but you are just the perfect fulfillment of the common stereotype of the Americans.

Dumb and agressive (I'd like to add "fat" but as there are so many nice fat people I know I'll leave it out).

by Blade2305 at August 21, 2003 12:39 PM

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I guess it's a good thing we can kick some major ass then huh?

Yeeeeeehawwwwwww! *As he rides off slowly, into the sunset, on his trusted steed the shotgun*

by Dumb_Aggressive at August 21, 2003 12:59 PM

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This is clearly an exercise in mental masturbation since only you actually need to be here to interpret my statements into something you can feel comfortable responding to.

if you want to fling poo, go hang out in the zoo with the other monekys. if you want to counter my argument do so.

If you expect me to be impressed that you speak the language of the dominant culture, then keep on moving pal. I'm in Iowa. This state is 40 percent German (looking around my office: hoffman, brummer, eshelman, rohwer, ogren, schmitt, Brandeburg... and not one German speaker).

My city used to have several German language newspapers, german churches and breweries 80 years ago. Guess how many people here speak German today? Jack Shit. Why? It's useless. No one NEEDS to speak German any more than they NEED to speak dog in order to own one.

Of course you speak English. We rebuilt your country after WWII. English is the language of international commerce, baby Jake, that's why it's taught to you from an early age so that one day you guys might have a chance to kiss our asses if you're lucky.

You don't speak English because you're superior. If I were a Bosche, I'd lay off the superior talk any way. you wouldnt want to fall into the common German stereotype, now do you?

Go ahead and add 'fat' genius, that would make you just about the smartest boy in the third grade, sausage sucker.

by eff at August 21, 2003 1:26 PM

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ok kids. hey now, cool them horses. this talk is going nowhere. i agree and i disagree with much of what was brought to light. for a peacelover & european sympathizer, i actually disagree with amost everything capt. blade said except for one thing: bush was going to attack no matter what. i couldn't be more confidant in that assumption (assumption being the mother of all fuck ups). but to me, eff is clearly right. its money. money. and money. euro leaders had the chance to look good to their people ethically, yet pull some bills from the booty. which makes that a bit more unethical than just saying, 'we want some of this, how you say....oil-pie?'. i'm all for leaders expressing their will for peace. just don't shake hands with a $50 afterwards. thanks for playing....

also, school kid...watch out for defamatory, baseless arguments about sitting high on loftier planes than your opponent. more tmes than not, you will be instantly wrong the moment you say this. almost by definition, the superior debater will not verbally quantify his or her argument. it's childish. just my experience.

by lajoie at August 21, 2003 3:33 PM

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I agree that Bush was gonna do anything he could to get into a shooting war with iraq. I think Papa Bush set Iraq up in the 80s to be a fall guy in the 90s to boost ratings points whenever there was need. Why else couldnt he finish the job back in 91? Clinton used Iraq when the Monica Lewisky thing needed cooling off and Dubya pulled them out because Iraq has always been part of a larger plan to create a strong american presence inside the Arab world just to break things up a bit. The fact that there is money to be made from "rebuilding the infrastructure" we blew up, well, that's just cake. It's the cold war all over again. Like Orwell demonstrated in 1984, we create an enemy to kee the war time economy rolling, the war time mentality chugging along. then one day we can declare victory and switch enemies.

by eff at August 21, 2003 4:52 PM

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Fuckfrance.com down

the racists have been kicked for a long time. is DDoS the Key? not sure but it works :)

by lafrancetencule at September 3, 2003 4:23 AM

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Interesting enough, I would like the amount of interest that they owe on the loans that the U.S. backed from WWI and WWII. I think that would probably solve our Socail Security problems for sometime. My grandfather and my great uncle were in WWI, they at least died before all the insults from the France, that they saved were published.
Freedom comes at a great price, and France hasn't even paid their part yet.

by Teresa at January 26, 2004 11:47 PM

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Fuck france, fuck them, and the fat fucking cocksucking fucking fuck witted american fuckers who love the fucking french. I hate americans and the french. americans love french, so fuck you cunts

by French hater at March 30, 2004 8:56 AM

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"americans love french, so fuck you cunts"

Love is a pretty strong word there hater.

by Ezy at March 31, 2004 3:54 PM

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I'm french and fuck your madness, I fuck your fighting cultur.
Ouvrez les yeux et regardez la merde qu'a foutu tous vos présidents depuis Truman ju'qu'à Bush, je n'ai rien contre les américains, non mais j'en veux à votre saloperie de gouvernement, à votre saloperie de culture bon marché...

by frenchy at April 6, 2004 10:07 AM

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I dont speak french, but I must say, I respect them a great deal. I know a guy named pierre, and he's perhaps the most interesting person I've ever met. Too bad hes back in France.
And of course the french have culture. Unlike us proud and true Americans. We just have sex with our cousins and beat our wives.

by guiseppe verdi at May 6, 2004 8:30 PM

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Speak for yourself there Guiseppe

by Ezy at May 7, 2004 3:42 PM

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I PROPOUND AN OTHER NAME FOR USA:"UNITED SIONIST ASSOCIATION" OR "UNDER SHARON ACCEPTANCE" OR SIMPLY "BIG ISRAEL".US'IANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN JEALOUS OF THE FRENCH BECAUSE YOU'RE A MONGREL PEOPLE,WITH NO ROOTS,NO IDENTITY,NO MEMORY,THE MURDERERS OF THE TRUE AMERICANS:THE AMERINDIANS:THE INDIANS.AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WAR ASSHOLES?YANKEES ASSHOLES CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN FRANCE IN 1918 OR 1945 TO SEE THE HUMAN COSTS OF DESTRUCTION WITH HUNDRED TOWNS TURNED IN RUINS AND DOZEN THOUSANDS CIVILIANS DEAD UNDER BOMBINGS OR FIRED.YOU TWO SHABBY TOWERS ON 11 SEPTEMBER WERE NOTHING IN COMPARISON.THE LOUSY CHICANOS AND BLACKS US TROOPS ARE DYING FOR THE JEWS IN IRAQ,FOR THE ZIONIST LOBBY WHICH RULES EVERYTHING IN THE US.THIS WAR WAS MADE TO ERASE SADDAM WHO WAS THE WORST ENNEMY OF ISRAEL IN THIS AREA.OPEN YOURS EYES POOR FLOCK OF OBESE HOGS.YOURS BRAINS ARE TOTALLY WASHED BY THE JEWS CONTROLLED MEDIAS.AND YOU FOLLOW THESE PIECES OF SHIT LIKE FOW NEWS OR RUPPERT MURDOCK LIKE A BUNCH OF SHEEPS WITHOUT BRAINS.YOU SHOULD MORE TRAVEL TO ERASE YOURS SILLY STEREOTYPES ABOUT FRANCE AND FRENCH PEOPLE.THE GROSS IGNORANCE OF YANKEES CITIZENS ABOUT THE WORLD AFFAIRS IS REALLY AWFUL.FRIGHTENING.BUT FINALLY,WE DON'T CARE.EUROPE IS THE FIRST ECONOMICAL POWER IN THE WORLD NOW WITH 450 MILLIONS INHABITANTS ON THE WAY TO LIVE UNDER THE SAME UNION.AND THE NEXT SUPERPOWER WILL BE SOON CHINA WHICH IS GOING TO EAT YOU WITH HIS 1,3 BILLION PEOPLE.YANKEE CIVILIZATION IS GOING DOWN EVERYWHERE.THE WHOLE EARTH IS HATING YOU AFTER WITH FUCKING UNBEARABLE INVASION WAR IN IRAQ.AND STOP TO BORE US WITH YOUR SO CALLED HELPS DURING THE WORLD WARS.IN WW1 YOU CAME ONLY IN 1917 AS WE WERE FIGHTING SINCE 1914.AND THE BIGGEST VICTORY OF THIS WAR WAS A FRENCH VICTORY:VERDUN IN 1916.THE FRENCH ARMY HAS LOST 1400000 SOLDIERS DURING THIS WAR.HOW MANY FOR YANKEE ARMY?AND IF FRANCE COLLAPSED IN 1940 IT WAS BECAUSE THE COUNTRY WAS BAD PREPARED FOR THE WAR'CAUSE ONCE AGAIN ASSHOLES POLITICIANS MISTAKES AND THE BIG CASUALTIES OF WW1.AND DON'T FORGET THAT DURING ONE MONTH OF FIGHT AGAINST THE GERMANS IN MAY AND JUNE 1940 THE FRENCH ARMY KILLED MORE THAN 90000 ENNEMIES TROOPS BEFORE TO SURRENDER AFTER THIS BLITZKRIEG WITH MODERNS WEAPONS.YANKEES MORONS SHOULD OPEN MORE OFTEN DICTIONNARIES BEFORE TO SAY BULLSHITS LIKE "CHEESE EATING SURRENDER MONKIES" OR THESE KIND OF CRAPS.IT'S EASY TO EXPERIENCE WAR ON RADIO OR TV.IT'S AN OTHER STORY ON THE FIELDS.BUT THIS OLD PREHISTORIC SHIT OF WW2 IS AN ANTIQUE THING.NOBODY DON'T CARE ANYMORE IN EUROPE.GERMANY IS OUR BEST ECONOMICAL PARTNER AND A FRIEND FOR ALREADY MORE THAN 40 YEARS.GERMANY AND FRANCE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRIES IN EUROPE.DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS YEAR THE EUROPEAN AIRCRAFT MAKER AIRBUS LED BY THE FRENCH HAS SMOKED BOEING SELLING MORE PLANES IN THE WORLD?I DON'T THINK SO.US'IANS HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD.THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING EXCEPT USA.POOR MORONS.YOU'RE SO PATHETIC.FOR YOU FRANCE IS STILL THE MOULIN ROUGE,THE BERET,THE EXISTENTIALISTS,MAURICE CHEVALIER AND THESE OTHER KIND OF CRAPS.MY POOR CRETINS,ALL THESE CRAPS ARE TOTALLY OUT.IT'S ANTIQUE DUSTY SHIT.THE POOR US'IANS WHO COME IN FRANCE WITH THIS KIND OF SILLY CLICHES IN THEIR HEADS ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE VERY BAD MOMENTS WITH FRENCH ARABS OR FRENCH BLACKS GANGS.WE HAVE ROCK BANDS,RAP BANDS,AND DOZEN ACTORS THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IN USA.SACHA DISTEL IS A THING FOR MUSEUMS.AND WE KNOW BRUCE WILLIS AND BRATT PITT AND METALLICA AND NIRVANA AS WELL AS YOU ASSHOLES.WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COME IN THE REAL WORLD?WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET DOWN FROM YOURS CLOUDS ASSHOLES?I STOP HERE BECAUSE I'AM DISGUSTED WHEN I SEE A SO HIGH LEVEL OF IGNORANCE.FUCK YOU IN HELL "HAMBURGERS EATING FATTENER HOGS".LITTLE PATHETIC 200 YEARS OLD COUNTRY.FRANCE EXISTS FOR MORE THAN 2000 YEARS WHEN YOU WERE STILL IN THE BALLS OF TOURS EUROPEANS ANCESTORS.FUCK YOU IN HELL VERMINOUS SCUM.

by GUNTHER at May 9, 2004 1:50 PM

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The French should show more respect towards the USA.
Have they forgotten WWI, WWII,...

And yes, French fries aren't French but Belgian (Walloon region) !!

by TrueFacts at August 7, 2004 5:22 AM

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So should Americans do towards France.
Have they forgotten their war for independence ? When they came in France in 1917, their warcry (excuse me if some words don't exist or don't fit, as you may have guessed I'm French) was "Lafayette nous voici".

Though, I do not want to write a book about WWI here, and neither do I want to show contempt towards "the fat evil Americans". I think most of you are interested in having the point of view of a French man about all this stuff.

The way the French see the Americans : that's right that a lot will say they're a people with no culture at all, that they're all fat and stupid, they want to wage war with economic reasons, and all those clichés we can hear or read here and there. Paradoxically though, more and more are losing those clichés. They understand that the situation is not so clear. I hope it's the same in the US. I even had a shower two weeks ago...

Of course, the real reasons for which Bush decided to wage war in Iraq were money and power. So were the reasons of Chirac for using his right of veto at the UN. I think human rights come far after.

France is a country of culture. And I think that Americans do not know it, or very few. It's not their fault... We have many good writers, and far more bad writers. Like in the US. But French (i could say European either) and American culture do not share their products, the move goes only one way. Here we can read most American writers, translated or not, but if you want to read a book from a French writer, not only will you have great difficulty finding it but you will have to read it in French. Whose is the fault ? I think, both. We do not have a coherent policy for exporting our cultural works, and you are not enough aware of them (I speak of majors here, not of people).

Well, these were some ideas I've thrown here with no real order. They give you all my point of view about some issues this debate has raised.

I hope no hatred will come anymore between Americans and Frenchmen. Those who hate people for the country they were born in are not even worth our wrath. Ignore them.

by François at August 22, 2004 5:26 AM

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Vive la France, mort aux Américains qui nous doivent leur liberté, leurs territoires que le grand Napoléon leur a vendu...
Un jour viendra, la France détruira les USA, et ils l'auront mérité
the french army has 500 nuclears bombs

by fuck the USA at September 30, 2004 11:07 AM

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Yea, they have 500 nuclear bombs but would surrender before they could use them.

by Ezy at September 30, 2004 2:14 PM

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US'IANS.POOR FLOCK OF OBESE INCULT HOGS.YOU CAPITAL IS TEL AVIV.MAYBE YOUR NEXT INVASION WILL BE IRAN.YOUR PRESIDENT ARIEL SHARON IS GOING TO GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO HIS PUPPET GEORGE.GO TO FUCK IN HELL OBESE MONGRELS SHIT.

by BUSHIT at October 2, 2004 5:41 PM

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You guys are funny...

I could also say pathetic, but I think I should be more polite than other frenchmen before, except, indeed, François.

You're reproaching us we're prejudiced... But I think you barely imagine that you're doing EXACTLY the same thing for us.

Most of French people use to laugh at Chirac's decisions in politics...except for your stupid wars...

And all the shitty stuff you say about our armies and yours..

"Hey guy! Look, my dick's bigger than yours! So shut up and stick to what I want, to what I say, ok?"

Pretty pathetic...

By the way, thank you for this wonderful coumn, I couldn't help lughing for minutes while reading all the crappy-stuff you wrote. ^^

wam

by Wam, Another Frenchman at October 14, 2004 10:02 AM

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Yea really, fuck the French, they want to lift ban from China. Also saying Taiwan is not a country.

Fuckin pansys, they were selling weapons to Taiwan a while ago and now they backstab us?

I do not repsect anyone who does not stand by an idea. I do not see any strong ideaology but greed behind this action.

China will soon gain its needed advanced military weapons to fuck this world up thanx to the basterds French.

The root of all evil is GREED
Radix malorum est Cupiditas

And the French are GREEDY

by Ken at December 5, 2004 12:27 AM

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FUCK YOU ALL !!!!!!
fuck usa ! fuck americans bastards ! fuck americans pigs ! fuck bush !
In 2001, the USA betrayed the world with its stupid iraqui's war ! ON VOUS EMMERDE !!!!

(nan, mais c'est inouï, ça ! Qu'est-ce qu'y sont cons, putain !!!! Et vos mères, bande de salopes, elles en sucent 12
par jour, ces putes !!!!)

by gros boulet !!! at December 23, 2004 10:16 AM

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It's safe to say the world would be a better place without the French, that’s what I’m reading into this thread. All modern day Muslim fundamentalism wouldn’t exist were it not for French kings forcing the dissolution of the Templars, and other knightly orders... lol

Jumping forward: Lafayette wouldn't have made his glorious if somewhat stooped victory march through Paris were it not for British help to the resistance, which was only possible thanks to arms provided (At high prices) by America, which in turn was made possible by Japanese aggression... Which was forced west because the propaganda of the Russians was so convincing in portraying a force only a madman would go against...

... God I hate the French. Not for any practical purposes, but simply because when I look at the history of the United Kingdom, whenever there is a lapse in glory, or a taint to the evolution of the old Empire… The French presence can be spotted in the text like Waldo in a crowd of smurfs. Always the sodding French manage to throw a spanner into the works of any logical progression, right up to the present day. Lets: Capitulate to the Nazi Wermacht, don’t support the British allies by allowing them free run of your nation, but send them instead through Belgium… And then when your useless front folds as readily as an old lady who never did grasp the rules of poker, leave the flanks of your ally wide open. And then when it’s all over, have the nerve to call the British, ‘Frenchmen returning to help their kin’. Some kind of strange logic, which traces English heritage to the Normans… Despite the fact the Normans were Scandinavians who adopted the French language and transformed French culture. *sobs* I’m ranting… L

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 23, 2004 2:31 PM

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yes, you can hate the french if you want, but that won't make you right.
what did we wrong any way, not to go to this fucking war in Irak? I think Americans should think a bit more before to act. You just had to let the UN inspectors do their job, and if there were really weapons of mass destruction there, then be sure we would have be on your side kicking out this fucking ass hole of Saddam (do you really think we like him by the way?)
but you did wrong on several major points:
first you deliberatly lied to the world, telling there were such weapons in Irak. We are not such fools to follow you like pets and risk the life of our soldiers for no reason. We are free to think and may be you're not, madia lied to you.
second you didn't care at all of the precious UN, cos even if it's not very efficient, it's still the only way to create a little order on this planet. You just created a total chaos. We didn't break alliances, you did it. You have split the western world in two sides with your war (we're not alone to think it was totaly stupid to go there)and it's too easy to think all is black or white.
no you're not the model of freedom and justice you used to be. and you proved it once again by reelecting a liar! you take no care of what prople in the world think, and I call this tyrany.
We'll never forget what you did for us during WWII of course. but that does'nt oblige us to piss on Human Rights. Be a bit more critic toward yourself and you'll understand maybe why we take different ways

by stouf.157 at December 26, 2004 3:47 PM

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I would like to add another thing. What is that funny idea that we support China??

by stouf.157 at December 26, 2004 3:52 PM

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I would like to add another thing. What is that funny idea that we support China??

by stouf.157 at December 26, 2004 3:52 PM

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Putain, mais y sont vraiment cons, ces blaireaux d'Amerloques, hein ? Bande de gros culs, bouffez votre graisse !!!!!
Hey, "Ex Crimson Guard NCO" : I hate you too, you know ? Fuck you !!!

by gros boulet ! at December 26, 2004 5:16 PM

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C'est marrant de voir comment ils s'enflamment les ricains quand meme.
Just because of a fucking idiot President and an even more stupid war, they look back in history, to the 18th century or further, to see reasons to hate French!!
We would have good reasons to hate everyone too then: italians because of the roman invasion (and other wars), spanish because of the wars of the 18th, Britain (lots of reasons then), Germany, Austria, Holland,.......Hey why not swedish because of the Vikings. Oh! I forgot russians, for many reasons too.. And Vietnamese,...who else?..Arabs yes they went to Poitier...

Then why not talk about what Americans did, not so long ago (remember Pinochet, it was another September11)
hey don't be silly, it's more intelligent to forgive, just how we did with Germans. Hopefully there are some men like Willy Brandt and De Gaulle (you sure don't know who they are, do you?)
We are not among those stupid persons to say "nazis" whenever we disagree with them. We just judge people for what they do TODAY.

And what I can say is that at the moment you just don't match with our ideals :
-put the international laws before the national laws (it's a obligation to enter the EU and Americans refuse that any American can be put on trial in the International Court of Justice)
-treat well poor people (more than 12% of poor people in the US, that means who are below the poverty boundary!!although they have the highest income per person!!- very bad health care, bad alimentation,..)
-treat well prisoners
-no death penalty (even Turkey abolished it!)
-be aware of ecology (highest level of pollution per capita in the world, didn't even -sign Kyoto..)
-Press freedom (rank 18 only in the World, arrestations of journalists , strange information channel like Fox News that obviously support the Government and give false information)
etc. etc.etc.

We also can't stand your ignorance of the World around you. Even Bush never used his passport before he bacame president! How could we then trust you! Things are not as simple as what your president says.
We faced terrorism too in the past. We were among the first to face bombings: remember the, in the metro of Paris in the 90s. A plane was taken by islamists in Marseille in 1994.
But the average Americans don't know this because they have avery low level of culture.
Spanish also faced a terrible attack, and they totally agree with us on the Iraq issue(the former Prime Minister was criticized about the war BEFORE the attack, population was against it in a great majority!, like in Italy by the way where you could see rainbow flags everywhere)

Many Americans still believe today that Saddam is linked to Al-Qaida!! Quelle bande de connards!
You should read the life of Saddam first, and yoiu'll know that yes, he's a fucking bastard (remember we were there in 1991!), but he opened hundreds of laic schools and has always struggled against islamists!!
Hey, chose better your ennemies next time if you want to struggle against terrorism!
Have you find weapons of mass destruction yet? I doubt you will. It's easy to attack a country where there is no weapons left!

I just hope American people will change their mind. Change the way they consider others. Be less stupid maybe, read more, I don't know, TRY TO THINK. Because globally we have the same aims. And with the world changing, it's important taht Europe and America keep a strong link.
Who wants China to control the World. Hey not us!

by stouf.157 at December 27, 2004 1:16 PM

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“Hate italians because of the roman invasion (and other wars), spanish because of the wars of the 18th, Britain (lots of reasons then), Germany, Austria, Holland,.......Hey why not swedish because of the Vikings. Oh! I forgot russians, for many reasons too.. And Vietnamese,...who else?..Arabs yes they went to Poitier...”

Alright couple of points here… French civilisation before the Roman invasions? Poor trade agreements between tribes, several kings claiming several lands… In short, there was no civilisation before the Roman invasion… Reason to hate Italians? I think not. “Spanish because of the wars of the 18th century?” French Imperial expansion took Napoleon to Spain… Before that French aggression and royalist aims before the revolution started the wars. “Swedish because of the Vikings”: Scandinavians invaded and took the duchy of Normandy as their own, swearing fealty to the French king as a formality… Not because of any military threat. Were it not for the Normans vast leaps in technological warfare and the expansion of what is today considered Western civilisation wouldn’t exist Reason to hate Scandinavians? I think not. Russians for many reasons too? I’m gonna assume because of their involvement in the Napoleonic wars since we’re looking back that far… Their involvment wasn’t really impressive considering they were not using the Gregorian calender at the time and their forces were usually days or even weeks late for allied action beside British, and Prussian forces. And the Vietnamese? Heh heh, the Vietnamese were defending their country against French Imperial expansion, the Vietnamese provinces owned by France swelled to such a point that the Vietnamese standing armies had to improve… And that improvement consequently cost the Americans many years later. :)

“You should read the life of Saddam first, and yoiu'll know that yes, he's a fucking bastard (remember we were there in 1991!)”

You were there in 1991 to provide aid workers and supplies. The only real military actions of the French were seen through Peace Keepers put forward by the UN. Also… Just before that Gulf war, and when the UK were at war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands… Three British naval vessels – and very nearly an aircraft carrier - were sunk by French Exocet missiles provided to the Argentinians at a reasonable cost because the French wanted them tested. Some ‘friend’ to the British the French are, eh? I have a love for the States because since WWII they have supported their ‘friend’ the UK consistently since those dark times. Like the Falklands for example. It’s only right that we should do the same for them. What annoyed me about the Americans, up until recently, was their misplaced love for the French. I could excuse it because of events during the War for Independence, but enough is enough… The French have been exposed and the Americans are seeing it for the first time in a long time. I’m glad, I am so glad… heh heh. I was getting fed up of seeing the French stereotypical saviour in American movies turning up at some point to assist the American protagonist when he needed it most. lol

"Because globally we have the same aims. And with the world changing, it's important taht Europe and America keep a strong link."

If we have the same aims and if Europe and the US need to work more closely, why is Prime Minister Blair the only European world leader to travel from country to country explaining this fact at great length? The UK before the war almost became a bridge of communication between the US and the EU… The EU can’t make a statement without it being contested and monitored and approved by every representative of every nation, and by the time it is released said statement has usually been rendered redundant because it’s core point has been lost in the weeks before it was made.

I agree we of the West should work together… I just dislike the French… And hate the fact such a nation can use its veto to ill affect, virtually every chance it gets. Not just that, they never do it alone… They’ll always seek another veto sporting nation and ensure some backing before they put it forward, the French standing alone on a point? Pfft, never happens. As with the Germans before this war… Had they not agreed with French policy, the French would never have contested the war… I can’t prove it, but… I’ll wait for the French to do that for me the next time their veto needs waving. :)

I love talking the brown stuff.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 27, 2004 5:02 PM

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we could talk hours and hours about history, because european history is very long. For example, you say Vikings were not a real threat at that time, but it's because you don't really know the complexity of the French history( no blame for that, you're not French) In fact Vikings came to Paris and if Parisians did'nt defeat them the whole country would have been invaded. We gave Normandy to Vikings to have peace. About Spain, wars between Spain and France are far more ancient than Napoleon time! Charlemagne invaded Spain for example, and each French child know the story of Rolland who died on the other side of the Pyrennees!Also, at the time of Louis XIV, Spain was certainly the major ennemy. About Italy, you maybe don't know the battle of Marignan in 1515, won by Francois Ier against the Swiss and Italians,which made Fontainebleau the centre of the European culture, as some artists like Da Vinci came to France.

Anyway,what I just wanted to show is that it's very stupid to try to see a continuity in history, as countries were allies a day, ennemies another. It would be too easy to see in France an eternal ennemy as actually we fought everyone!
Just please focus on the present. And what is the problem? This war? Many British are actually against this war. It is very easy to find arguments to be against this war. So don't try to make a whole nation an ennemy because the people didn't see clearly the reasons to go to Iraq! As we expected, your aims are really not achieved. Iraq was not an islamist country, and you made it a perfect ground for islamists to train their army. And thanks to wars like this one, you give more opportunities to islamists to spread their influence. Bin laden is too happy to have an ennemy like Bush to wake up islamist fundamentalism.
Moreover, Americans appear to be a threat, because they can decide to fight a war for no real reason against a country they just don't like. It's far from the glorious image you had before.

And I often read in this site that you consider that France is not very helpful. Ok no French would have the arrogance to say that our army is half the strength of the american. But the French force counted 19000 men-ok it's not much compared to the US force:535000! or the one of Saudi Arabia(120000), but we had many planes, ships, and tanks. The French force was largely similar to the British force but you would never say British are useless.. It's a shame you say that, and it won't make France a better ally.
It just makes us fell the necessity to create a european force, independant from the US force, as France is a too small country now. We are only 60millions and our country is only 550000 square kilometres large! We know very well that we need allies. It's just that now, we think our future is in a strong Europe (it's a long way but it's not impossible), and we put less trust in America.
A shame for you and for us too, but that won't change much with the new American Policy: "Be with us or be our ennemies" This policy won't bring you much friendlyness in the world.
The law of the strongest is not always the best. It's not the popularity of French people that is decreasing, but the one of the Americans, believe it or not. And you have more to lose than us in behaving like that.

by stouf.157 at December 28, 2004 10:09 AM

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“For example, you say Vikings were not a real threat at that time, but it's because you don't really know the complexity of the French history( no blame for that, you're not French) In fact Vikings came to Paris and if Parisians did'nt defeat them the whole country would have been invaded. We gave Normandy to Vikings to have peace.“

I appear to have a greater grasp of French history than you my friend. I didn’t say the Vikings were not a threat, I said that they were, and given the desire they could have usurped the power of the French king, and created a second Danelaw, (As in Britain) there are more obvious comparisons as to what this new kingdom would have resembled but Danelaw is quite close to capturing the essence of it. Those Scandinavians to have taken the Duchy of Normandy were content with Normandy – which didn’t actually become a Duchy until said Vikings had sworn fealty to the French King. Northmen – Northman – Normandy. Any army from Flanders would have been trounced… It didn’t happen. At that time the single Duchy of Normandy sported more power than France as a whole. :)

“About Spain, wars between Spain and France are far more ancient than Napoleon time!”

Yes I know, but to be fair you did say in your original comment: “Spain because of the 18th century.”

“Anyway,what I just wanted to show is that it's very stupid to try to see a continuity in history, as countries were allies a day, ennemies another. It would be too easy to see in France an eternal ennemy as actually we fought everyone!”

Maybe that’s the point, alliances do change, and enemies become friends… But I think of all the European nations, perhaps France is the only one to be able to boast: “We’ve fought everyone!"

“Just please focus on the present. And what is the problem? This war? Many British are actually against this war. It is very easy to find arguments to be against this war. So don't try to make a whole nation an ennemy because the people didn't see clearly the reasons to go to Iraq!”

A great majority of British people were against the war, and their primary reason was simply that the UK forces, as you’ve stated, couldn’t make a difference next to an American force because the Americans don’t really need the manpower. British people didn’t want to see British servicemen dying for any cause that wasn’t defending our own shores, I suppose. But Blair sent the troops, and the day they left that wide majority of protestors became a majority of support for the soldiers out there. And the thing of a UK force being no more than a gesture has recently been lost due to Black Watch troops moving forward to alleviate some pressure from Americans to offer them more latitude in combating insurgents.
I have to say also that British involvement on the wide scale is limited only because we are acting as a support force, more for the Union Flag flying beside the Star Spangled banner on news reels and headlines than for the actual, physical offering of men with guns. Our involvement is to show other western nations that we won’t stand to see totalitarian states maintained, and dictatorships endure: A notion France needs to get its head around sooner rather than later! I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether or not Saddam had weapons. He defied the EU and he didn’t recognise it as a legitimate authority. And you, as somebody who can cite the EU as being this glorious thing in which we all work together, should readily oppose any world leader who defies it. It doesn’t make sense that you don’t support the war. Even if it is just to support the precious EU you’ve been harping on about (People of the West should work together etc.). Your argument is contradictory. Left to the EU Iraq would be facing its 100th sanction by now, and still with no show of arms or power… I’m glad the Americans have the balls to steam ahead sometimes, like a defiant soldier disobeying shoddy orders from a CO whose skill matches those of WWII French officer. You go Joes! lol

“As we expected, your aims are really not achieved. Iraq was not an islamist country.”

What the hell was it then, a haven of peace and prosperity? People were being tortured, and oppressed. As a citizen of a democratic state you should open your mind to the choices you’re offered, and learn to appreciate that not everybody in the world is as lucky as you are. The pleasure of typing whatever you like onto this website without fear of being tormented, shot, or hanged. Freedom of speech, and freedom of choice… You can read whatever you like, and you, yes even you, are free to argue ‘for’ an Iraqi cause. But just because you’re free to do it doesn’t make your contrary position correct.

“And I often read in this site that you consider that France is not very helpful.“

I have nothing against France itself; the soil is probably much the same as that in my country… It’s just the people who call that soil home I have a problem with. You’re a bunch of raging idiots. - That’s my democratically permitted freedom of attitude talking. :)

”The law of the strongest is not always the best. It's not the popularity of French people that is decreasing, but the one of the Americans, believe it or not.”

Well I can say on behalf virtually all of the people on my island that the popularity of French people has never existed… And that the British peoples opinion of the Americans has always been one that rates pretty high. I’d put this down to the fact we share a common language, and a common cause… (Gah, there’s another irritating point with the French, you know French control towers don’t want to speak English when directing air traffic and are trying to force international pilots into speaking French instead… lol, what a people!)
I’d happily move to the USA tomorrow.
“And you have more to lose than us in behaving like that.”
They haven’t lost anything they won’t miss, and the eye opener they received from nations like yours can only be a good thing. Your comments border dangerously on the realms of a desire to see a European super power governed by the EU. Let me tell you, it won’t happen. Because we all know who’d want to head such a power… Don’t we? I can see the bickering already.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 28, 2004 1:25 PM

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Well you showed much arrogance and your language is sharp!
first let me apoplogise for my approximative English, I'm jus a French you know.

I was not trying to make an history lesson. It was just a quick sum up for a general idea: stop talking about histrory, there is nothing you can prove with it
It's very arrogant to say to someone you know better the history of his own country! Maybe english people know much about the Vikings as they play a greater part in their history than in ours. But concerning the Vikings, what I said is not false, just short. They took other places like Nantes before they arrived near Paris. And the Denish army was hopefully defeated in Chartres. There was a treaty signed by Charles III le simple and the Denish King that gave what is Normandie today to the Denish if they stopped the invasion and if they accepted the baptism. Wat is more you give me a lesson of etymology but no French ignore the origin of the word Normandie as we also call the people from the north "Normands".You talk about Flanders but Flemish were too happy to see the power of the French King decrease. France has not always been the (quite) homogeneous country it is today. I don't know where you read that Normandy was better than the whole France at that time, but it's a bit exagerating.
Besides, for Spain, I did not mean 18th but 17h, ". that's true, as I was already thinking of Louis XIV.

"A GREAT MAJORITY OF BRITISH WERE AGAINST THE WAR". I am happy you say that. Lots of people, and I especially mean Americans in that case, think the will of a government fits people opinion. Concerning Europe, it's all but true about this war. Italians, Spanish, Portugese, and even British weere against it. France and Germany were among those which had the balls to say no to the US. It's more a moral issue than a way to annoy Americans. What this means is that you condemn a whole nation for its opinion when we were not different from others.

You talk about what was Iraq before you came. We never meant Iraq was "a haven of prosperity". (but let me believe the embargo reinforced the support of Iraqis to Saddam, as Americans appeared to be the reason of their poverty). We hate Saddam too. But it's more general than that. Tortures, all that. Yes, we know.
Well let me be very skeptical. Do you really think US only go to war for humanism? I doubt you're so naive.

The problem is more general than for the Iraq itself. For the first time, they deliberatly fucked the UN. They gave reasons for the war, do you remember. ALL OF THEM were wrong. ALL. Bush did not say the war was to kick Saddam out, but because he was a threat. And the UN inspectors showed it was wrong. He used the September11 attacks as an argument when there is obviously no links between Saddam and Al Qaida.
What happened this time is very dangerous for the stability of the World. We created the UN after WWII to provide peace. That means now, you should not go to war without the UN approval. You can't go to war with no proof. For the credibilty of the US too, it's important to respect some rules.
Our "little country" warned them that it would be like a box of Pandorre (I don't know the English word) Something that looks great but once you open it, all you have is horror and despair.

War is nothing heroic. It means death and destruction, and should be used in last recourse. But that is your mess now. Don't think French would like the war to be a total disaster. France already signed resolutions with Britain and US to make Iraq safer.
Our aim has never been the intability of the region, on the contrary, that's why we said no. And well there's nothing wrong to have said no. We were not alone, and at the moment, with no pleasure I can tell that everything happened as expected.
Anyway, till your soldiers are over there, I guess it's not the time for you to think about all that. But I hope you will afterwards.

Let me answer to you on the EU topic. It seems you don't want it to become stronger than it is today. And you blame France for wanting to rule it.
France is strongly linked to Germany because Europe certainly needs a motor. Frist it was created in a pacific aim. France and Germany have contributed much to the success of the EU. So don't try to see us as despots. Of course maybe sometimes we want our country to have more than it may have. I can admit it, as it's somehow logical, every country acts this way. But on a larger scale, we can say that we were more than often avant-guardists.
Maybe it's because you live on an island that you don't need to try to live with your neighbours. But contrary to France or Germay, England did not help much the process. I would say so far it's more a problem than anything. You're more often late than in advance. And I wonder what would happen if English don't accept the Constitution.
Your country could be a great support as it's a great economic power for Europe. But til now we gained not much thanks to you.
Yes I would like the EU to be more powerful. Not a superpower to crush our ennemies or to rule over the World. But just for the European nations to be independant and self-sufficient.

Well I don't give a fuck to what you think about France. And what the hell are you talking about with those Control Towers? I guess people like you just try to see in any thing a good reason to hate France. But if you were not so narrow minded, you would see more reasons to like it.
Anyway people like you just find reasons to hate all their neighbours, all what is different, it not only concerns France.

There is nothing to gain in talking with people like you, it always finish into a fight. Because you don't want to have a general understanding but search in any little anecdote a good reason to stay on your preconceptions. Things like the Control towers. Or history, doesn't matter if it's very long ago. Or because of soccer matches. Or the fact we eat snails maybe! Lots of English people still come to France to visit it or even to settle here. And lots of French too cross the Channel to work.

My country is the ennemy of no others. It's the ennemy of those who want to impose their rules to others. We are not against jews, but against Sharon. We are not against arabs, but against islamist fundamentalism. We were not against Americans, but they acted here in a way that did not seem just to us. You can find a reason to hate us. That's a pity. We just had a right to say no.

Allez salut, I let you talk about french fries that are not french, criticise french cuisine, say Descartes is a stupid and that we think we invented the Renaissance (yeah all that surely makes Effenheimer the right to say no French author is worth reading)

by stouf.157 at December 30, 2004 7:41 AM

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Stouf:- “Stop talking about histrory, there is nothing you can prove with it.”

History… My cigarette smoking, language slurring, kiss, fries, and toast prefixing friend… Is the greatest of all teachers!

Stouf:- "France and Germany were among those which had the balls to say no to the US. It's more a moral issue than a way to annoy Americans. What this means is that you condemn a whole nation for its opinion when we were not different from others.”

France and Germany have only the balls to threaten a dictatorship with sanctions and shy bravado. It doesn’t take balls to say no the US, what is the US going to do? Boycott French wine and Wieners? It takes balls to make a demand with threat of force, and when it is not met, to use that force. And on the contrary, I condemn an entire nation solely because of its consistency in annoying me to the core of my very being. Half of your post wants to make me scream. You speak of arrogance as if it were a trait you’re yet to attain… lol

When looking at the facts you can’t escape one thing… It doesn’t matter why some of us are now at war… It only matters that the war is justified. The authority that is the EU has deemed it so. After twelve years of empty threats, sanctions, and talk it had to start some time. With that in mind it’s not difficult to see that America going first was inevitable. It would hardly be the Germans… God no, they never want to appear aggressive again, ever. “Wir sind die feinsten leute… wir hassen kampfen… lol” Was it ever going to be the French?

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I’ll let that one hang.

Iraq… Should be old news. Saddam was given a twelve-year ticket of joy and it expired when the righteous hand of Islam collided with Western architecture. What would France’s reaction have been if it were the Offal Tower to have toppled, crushing thousands of French people?

“Sanctionnez!”

… Probably.

Stouf:- “Let me answer to you on the EU topic. It seems you don't want it to become stronger than it is today. And you blame France for wanting to rule it.
France is strongly linked to Germany because Europe certainly needs a motor. Frist it was created in a pacific aim. France and Germany have contributed much to the success of the EU. So don't try to see us as despots. Of course maybe sometimes we want our country to have more than it may have. I can admit it, as it's somehow logical, every country acts this way. But on a larger scale, we can say that we were more than often avant-guardists.
Maybe it's because you live on an island that you don't need to try to live with your neighbours. But contrary to France or Germay, England did not help much the process. I would say so far it's more a problem than anything. You're more often late than in advance. And I wonder what would happen if English don't accept the Constitution.”

Your arrogance is matched only by your ignorance. The EU was formed to help unite the European continent. To perhaps gain some stability where previously there had been only war. Who was constantly at war on the continent you ask. The French of course, and… Oh, wait for it… The Germans. What a shocker.

England did not help much in the process!?! You are coming dangerously close to making a real enemy out of me… lol The United Kingdom was not included in the early formation of the EU because WE HAD AN EMPIRE! We didn’t need your sodding coal or steel, we had it in ample supply. You see, history IS the greatest of all teachers. We had those things in ample supply, along with great wealth, which was squandered - I’m sorry to have to click into the caps here but - LIBERATING YOUR “FRENCH” SHITE HOLE, AND FIGHTING THE “GERMAN” SHITE HOLE! We lost an Empire, and gained a piddling spot in the EU… And what else do we get? Oh yes, perhaps not despots… But people with greater authority from the two nations that only exist due to an Empire lost and a new breed of Empire beginning… The UK, and the US.

You can shove the EU up your arse if you think the UK will join without a lot of golden handshakes… What do you think our government is bartering for? A place in the corner or under a French desk sucking French cock? If we have to wave goodbye to our currency, it will only be with Germany and France bent the hell over as we ride them closer to the continent.
Stouf:- “There is nothing to gain in talking with people like you, it always finish into a fight. Because you don't want to have a general understanding but search in any little anecdote a good reason to stay on your preconceptions. Things like the Control towers. Or history, doesn't matter if it's very long ago. Or because of soccer matches. Or the fact we eat snails maybe! Lots of English people still come to France to visit it or even to settle here. And lots of French too cross the Channel to work.”
The only insult I can muster for you is: “You’re French!” In my country there is no greater insult than that. What really gets my goat is… You think that you’re making a clear and irrefutable argument… And the kicker is you think you’re doing it without delivering insults yourself… lmao… So French! I find it insulting that you don’t recognise history as a solid source for modern day reference. I hate that books can be released pretending to be history, but in countries like yours they don’t convey even half of the truth. I hear a history book is due for release to which every citizen of every nation can read and enjoy, a real “the history of the world” deal, with those nasty bits missing. “Japan, war? Huh?” “French? Helped? Huh?” “Nazis? Is that an icecream?” … … …

... I apologise for any 'speeling' errors but I am ever so slightly... Uhm... Disgruntled.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 30, 2004 1:16 PM

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Sorry, a couple of times I said EU I meant UN... I'm sure folk can decide for themselves which should go where. :)

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at December 30, 2004 1:30 PM

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God save the Queen
Yanks are pants and pretty thick.

by God!! at January 4, 2005 11:25 AM

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Un bon gros TANK pour TANKULER, effenheimer de merde !!!!!

by Bugeaud at January 9, 2005 10:39 AM

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And fuck you too, Crimson !

by Bugeaud at January 10, 2005 12:28 PM

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I love the smell of flamed Frenchmen in the morning, smells like victory.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at January 10, 2005 2:02 PM

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French fries, Crimson?

by Ezy at January 10, 2005 4:29 PM

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That's strange : the american language have one only curse : the miserable "fuck" ! Every time "Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck…" It's a pity…
Not like the french language ! Look an exemple : "Sacré Putain de bordel de putain de merdre de sale chien qui bouffe ta putain de mère la salope "! (excusez-la grossièrté, mais avouez que ça a quand même une autre gueule !!!)

by Bigeard at January 19, 2005 7:28 AM

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lol... You French fool. Your language's list of curses doesn't even scratch the surface when compared to English curses... English is not the greatest language on the planet for no reason you know!

cunt n.

The female genitals. Once common parlance, the term has been considered impolite since the end of the 14th Century. Not recommended for use in front of the mother-in-law.

cunt bubble n.

An air lock up the fanny, often leading to a minge burp.

cuntstruck adj.

Besotted; hopelessly in love.

Theres three cunts for yer, and I could, given the time and enough web space, list thousands of curses you would never have dreamed existed. Pah... French! Pfft! Come to England this summer and I'll gather a horde of friends to offend you after you've already taken offence from the Waterloo signs and statues of Wellesley standing on Boney's head.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at January 19, 2005 10:50 AM

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I´m from Iceland an island very green despite the name. We are a handsome people, we are a viking people. All i can say is much love to my Norman brothers in France and fuck the fat ugly americans, specially the fucking stuipid tourists do they really think we will speak english to these fat dwarfs? In Reykjavík my small capital were people are big we beat up american tourists for fun. Why you ask? because they are not Norman brothers and are nothing to us. I don´t really care much about the rest of Francer exept Brittany, much love to my celtic cousins ! And for the UK the englsh should admitt the Normans gave them all they have really as they were just a buch of saxon gilrs being raped by us norse. Anyway fuck the US.

by Björn Ulfsson at January 19, 2005 4:52 PM

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Where'd you say you were from again? I'm only familiar with nations acting on the forefront of the world stage. I... Ice... Something, was it?

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at January 19, 2005 5:05 PM

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Liste des exploits de ce cher président Bush fils, qui est encore plus con que son père (si, si, c'est possible !!!) :

— He refused the kyoto's protocol
— He went to Irak (results : one G.I die every day !)
— He thinks the capital punishment is good
— He doesn't respect the UNO's decisions
— …, etc…

So, how american people can to vote for this man ?

by Peutit-peutit… at January 22, 2005 9:27 AM

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In my past experience with cultures I must say that meeting Americans has proven to be an enlightening experience for me when compared to the French. Americans prove to be extremely friendly, outgoing and generous, quite the contrast to the snobby, pompous attitudes of so many French and English people I have met. I am just referring to my own experiences and by no means do i know anybody that posts here.

However when arguing which culture is superior, I have to reference the attemp of the USA to change the name from French Fries to Freedom Fries. I mean from a country that wants to think it is the only superpower left in the world, and feels it needs to babysit everyone (despite the fact that they only address serious situations like that of Sudan's after a few words from possibly the most intelligent humanitarian in the world, Kofi Annan), it is the most immature action i have ever heard of. I half expected the Statue of Liberty to be packed up and sent back to France, not that i think many American really relate it to a present from the French, and more as thier own creation, a land mark of New York. There is no doubt in my mind that Americans, when preaching their ethnocentric patriotism, are extremly annoying, for lack of a harsher word.

So which culture is right in the end? I go with Canada. One of the few places in teh world left where you can still be French, American, Dutch, English, Muslim , Black, White, or an alien and our liberal attitude will still accept you as long as you are willing to say Canadian either before or after each of those terms. But if you can't be Canadian, and virtually anyone can, I say stick with Iceland, it isn;t such a bad place to live, and they even enjoy hockey. :)

by dominathan at January 22, 2005 10:53 PM

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Oh ! Look at DOMINATHAN : a stupid man (like my compatriot Bigeard, anyway…) who dares to make fun of the french culture, so he's American (and we all know the "great" american culture !) ! Very funny…
The french and english civilizations existed since the 10th century, so the american civilization existed since the 18th century : a pity !

by Un bon Raffarin est un Raffarin mort ! at January 25, 2005 3:35 PM

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Fuuuuuuck TEXAS !!!
Swallow your stenson, fuck off cow-boy !!! Yeeeeaaaah !!! (sincerly, I think every texan are stupids !)
(C'est comme ça qu'on dit en texan, hein ?)

by le parigot at January 25, 2005 3:45 PM

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I never said I was American. You said it. If you aren;'t going to read what i write, and read it with an open mind no less, then please do not attemp to retort to it. I see no place for insults, but I can take well made arguements. I am Canadian and proud to wear the maple leaf everywhere I go. I can alos think of things I'd rather be called than American, like French. At least the Americans only tried to take over Canada, not tried to leave it.

Also i see no evidence of myself stating anything about when these countries began. Stop reading inbetween the lines and start reading the actual words.

and finally this may be due to your attempts at becoming bi-lingual, something i respect as my French is quite flawed, but there are numerous words more descriptive than stupid you could use to insult me. I'd give you a list but I dislike the embarassing way you already abuse our language, even if it isn;t as romanticized as yours.

by dominathan at January 25, 2005 10:44 PM

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Aaaah ! Please ! Stop hate ! This site is realy too stupid ! L'Effenheimer est un con, tant pis pour sa vieille gueule, et voilà !

by Guignol at January 26, 2005 9:04 AM

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I apologize for the hate.. I try not to spread it but to not allow hate is to censor, and that brings up whole new issues. And i was just trying to defned myself, not spread propaganda.

by dominathan at January 26, 2005 5:56 PM

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Fuck EVERYBODY... (make love?, not war?)

So funny, enjoyable... lol... If you don't think the French are a bit dense, read thier posts above..lol.. we don't have to put you down, you do that for us...

One place worse than France? West Virginia.... lol......

by Andrew the Texan at January 31, 2005 10:51 AM

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"Sacré putain de nom de dieu de 40 000 pines de babouins en papillotes !"
(pas mal, hein, Bigeard ?)

Is there anybody able to translate the Andrew's post in french ? Because I don't understand…

by Lepetitbouffon at January 31, 2005 3:00 PM

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Les Francais s'averent continuellement etre les genies absolus quand il vient aux arguments et a n'importe quel genre de querelle orale, vraiment ils sont de grands peuples, je les baiseraient tous s'ils me laissent seulement.

A loose translation but that's the closest you're gonna get fellow human.

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at January 31, 2005 4:29 PM

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That's no wonder Bush was elected if every Americans are like Crimson…
And every french fuck you Crimson, you know ? Fuck your mother, yes ! Bastard ! Sale putain de chien de merde !

by Gugu at February 1, 2005 4:00 PM

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Si votre mere n'etait pas un cheval je la baiserais, mais elle est un cheval, ainsi je ne le dirai pas!

And... Fuck you Gugu, you know? Wouldn't fuck your horsey French mother, no! Bastard! lol

by Ex Crimson Guard NCO at February 1, 2005 4:28 PM

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I wouldn't be entirely upset by that comment Crimson... "And every french fuck you..."

Even if they don't all shave some of em gotta be at least decent looking.

by dominathan at February 1, 2005 6:59 PM

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My French teacher was French in school, and she was the fattest, hairiest, most hideous looking woman. She'd force us to stand at the head of the class to recite the horse-latin until we were unconsciously pouting like true Frenchies as we spoke, god I hated French class.

My Spanish teacher though, was English, and she was an absolute stunner, and I'm sure that if I'd had more courage I could have had one of those torrid teacher student affairs... *sigh* I'm convinced of it, seriously. Damn my teenage self, damn him! She was the only teacher to keep me behind for reasons other than punishment, 'Can you help me with t